I'd happily force-feed a vegan steak, even force them to skin a baby rabbit alive at gunpoint if I had a gun, to toughen them up.
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Even though I myself am not Vegan and do eat meat, my vegan friends are good people. As some don't like swearing I will try to minimize it on their behalf
That would not toughen them up. It would only show you are a sociopath with no concept of empathy. It makes you a monster and an asshole.
once again, randomouser proves he is a sociopath. I ask again, if human rights are not based just on intelligence but also things like compassion, why should animal rights be determined just by how well they do on an IQ test?
DON'T KILL A RABBIT YOU GODDAMN FREAK! I WILL HATE YOU TO THE DEPTHS OF MY SOUL!
...Says someone who occasionally kills their own food. I know, I'm kind of a hypocrite here, but this is bunnies .
Also don't force-feed people food they don't want, regardless of why they don't want it, unless they'd come to permanent harm or death otherwise. That's a consent violation and a form of assault.
@#2084621
Even the most retarded vegetable is miles ahead of a gorilla, dolphin or chimp. Why do people find this so hard to understand?
And I'm not a sociopath. Rabbits, wild ones at least, are a worthless pest that deserves no respect. I love most kinds of animals.
Oh god, there are so many ways this could go wrong. What if said vegan is vegan because of a meat allergy or intolerance (rare but very possible)? Or had an allergy or intolerance to any seasoning put onto the meat? Or even to anything on the surfaces that the meat has touched (gluten, anybody?)? Somebody could be dead or in the hospital because of you and you'd deserve to go to court for your recklessness. Or, even if there's no allergies or intolerances going on, vegans' digestive systems are not used to meat consumption and so they will likely throw up or get abnormal stools if they are force-fed a lot of meat. Vegans that have successfully and healthily transitioned back to animal products generally did so because they willing chose to consume animal products (signaling the body to begin preparing for consumption of animal products instead of resisting them) and gradually reintroduced animal products back into their diet rather than going all in at once.
Or you could traumatize somebody with the negative experience, as could happen with anybody who was being tortured. And also deserve to go to jail for that. Or they could turn out to know how to fight back and kick your ass the moment you tried anything, which they would have every right to do if there was no other way of escape. Or you don't know how to fight and end up hurting yourself more than the target vegan. Recoil is more painful and stunning than a lot of gun nuts give it credit for and it can hurt a gun user a lot if not properly handled (especially if you weren't expecting it), not to mention that guns are notoriously inaccurate and its possible to misfire and hit yourself instead.
I mean, I don't like veganism. It has so many nutrient deficits that I find it does more harm than good for most people long term-- especially for children, who are often forced into veganism by their parents and are likely to have severe deficiencies (like that of B12) that can never be fully rectified when they grow up as a result. I think its only good to switch to veganism if its the best or only dietary option for somebody (e.g., if somebody has a lot of allergies, intolerances or sensitivities to animal products)-- and making kids have a vegan diet is outright child abuse unless the parents have a medically valid reason to think that veganism is the best option for their child. However, I would never ever bring harm to vegans unless a vegan was hurting or harassing me me in a way that I couldn't escape peacefully. Violence is only good as a last resort, and I respect all humans' right to be able express themselves without fear of violence, even those that I strongly disagree with on several levels.
@Randomosaur
Wait, wait, wait... you want to torture animals and force-feed others with stuff they find morally abhorrent... because of spite against animal rights activists? And you try to argue that it's allright because well, animals are stupid and not worth as much as human beings? You know that might (and intelligence) doesn't make right, don't you? And unneccessary cruelty of any kind is not a sign of a superior being. We are in the middle of a possible mass extinction event of animal species (or at least a severe and catastrophic reduction of our planets biodiversity) making animal rights activism even more important. Yes, there are people like PETA who are doing extreme and stupid stuff or worse, begin to think that human lifes are worth less than animals (which is also not true), but that doesn't justify doing the opposite extreme.
@ChrisBP747
Animal rights activists are a THREAT to biodiversity. Trophy hunting, canned hunting, the exotic pet trade, wildlife farming, zoos and aquariums are HELPING species, but animal rights activists would rather see them go extinct because the individuals of that species might be suffering. Friends of Animals would rather see scimitar oryxes go extinct than be used only in canned hunts.
Do your research. Animal rights is about saving INDIVIDUALS at the expense of SPECIES.
@Randomouser. you didn't answer my question, why are human rights about more then just intelligence but you insist animals only matter if they have a high IQ point. I don't give a shit about how smart animals are, I focus on things like compassion and empathy.
and animals are individuals just like us, why should we not care about individual animals? for example, dolphins call each other by name.
and no, killing even one member of an endangered species is wrong no matter what. don't give me that you care about animals, if you did, you would care about individuals as well as species and it's clear you only care about their survival for your benefit, not theirs.
and about compassion and empathy, some animals mourn their dead and elephants have even been known to mourn dead humans.
Hmmm. I will freely admit I'm not "tough enough" to survive for a month on veggies alone, and I'd bet Randomosaur would have difficulties with it as well. But I definitely want my meat precut and neatly packaged, not still warm and quivering.
Randomosaur; Your pizza-rolls are ready!
Also; I support giving the inferior weakling (what macho sadists who hate empathy and love are), randomosaur the big fat....
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@Randomosaur
So you want to punish individual vegans who may or may not be vegan because of animal rights groups for the crimes of said groups.
Please look up "collective guilt" and why it's a fucked up thing.
Also, force-feeding is still not an acceptable punishment, even if said vegan IS vegan because of animal rights groups (a very wild assumption seeing as veganism can originate from a myriad different causes). I'm pretty sure it qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment.
By the way, I don't support the banhammer. Differing opinions shouldn't be a bannable offense, even if they're edgy and fucked-up ones.
@Sasha
I'm still trying to wrap my head around a vegan steak. Unless you mean beefsteak tomatoes?
Vegans love to come up with substitutes for meat products. Wouldn't surprise me if somebody made a faux steak with portobello mushrooms or something.
That, and there are scientists working on growing their own meat using extracted muscle tissue cells from cows. The process of extracting the cells from the cows is completely painless, quick, and does not result in the injury or death of any cows. So, once this is developed to produce different cuts of beef, it could possibly be a vegan way of eating cows or other animals. Unfortunately, from what I've seen and read, anti-science sentiments and leanings are very common in the vegan community, so the vegan reaction overall has ranged from hesitant to outright hostile to the idea. Regardless, there are a minority of vegans who are willing to embrace lab-grown meat once the technology is developed enough for the consumer market-- and I would encourage vegans to consume this sort of meat as it compensates for the nutritional deficits of a standard vegan diet without compromising on their beliefs.
Yeah, I don't know how many of my former shipmates asserted that lesbianism would be 'solved' if the women just got a really good fucking from a Real Man.
But when I'd ask if they'd be more open to gay rights if a gay man raped them, the argument seemed to fall apart. Some seemed to feel so strongly about their sexuality, they'd rather be shot than raped. But applying that conclusion to the sexuality of the lesbians never seemed to be a bridge they could cross...
I wonder what Randomosaur would do if the vegan, who he perceives as automatically weak, were to refuse to skin the rabbit at gunpoint? Would rather die than inflict needless, meaningless harm, and was strong enough to stand by their decision?
@Randomosaur
Well there you are promoting animal torture, assault, and stereotyping.
This is what comes to mind when you want to be edgy?
I mean, it would be one thing if you said you purposefully crafted this post to lampoon someone, some group, some forum.
But if this is just a random place your brain goes when you're angry, it's not much of a defense...
@Keith
In real life practice I've got a hypocritical weak spot when it comes to animal cruelty. I wanted to call the SPCA once about a goat/sheep left chained on the street without food or water. I cried in a dream because I couldn't take a sick tortoise (not a sea turtle) abandoned on the beach back home and nurse it back to health. When I find large or mother spiders in my home I take them outside instead of killing them (usually). I wouldn't unnecessarily hurt or kill native species. But when it comes to pests like wild rabbits, rats, etc, do whatever you want to them, they don't deserve to live.
"Wanted" to call? Why didn't you?
And a small disconnect, there... You say that hunting helps a species. So, then, wouldn't going Punisher on rabbits/pests be helping pests?
You think animal activists are an active threat for opposing hunting, wouldn't YOUR stance also be a threat, wanting to improve a pest species?
@Keith
I didn't have a phone at the time, told my aunt to ring but she didn't.
And you clearly don't understand what I mean by hunting helping conservation. By farming the scimitar-horned oryx on Texas ranches and only killing a select few individuals in canned hunts, they are maintaining one of the largest populations of the endangered species on Earth, helping it survive. How is this not helping the species?
RetARds, on the other hand, would rather see the species go extinct. They would rather see invasive rats, cats and possums eat beautiful birds into extinction than see them killed (e.g, drowning them at school) as pests deserve to be.
And I honestly don't understand myself a lot of the time either.
"And you clearly don't understand what I mean by hunting helping conservation."
No, i understand what you mean. I've seen the studies.
The question is, though, what makes this the ONLY way to preserve a species? Why MUST culling be part of the solution?
What, exactly, makes it retarded to want to find NON-slaughter methods to protect and preserve animals?
And why is this 'preservation' method only applied to those species that look good over a mantel?
"And I honestly don't understand myself a lot of the time either."
Well, you seem to think that shrugging and ignorance are as good as having a supportive argument, so that's going to be an obstacle to self-understanding.
@Keith
Non-exploitative methods almost always fail. Whether it's ecotourism (Galapagos species), hunting (scimitar-horned oryx) or pet trade (crested gecko, Poecilotheria metallica), using a species is the best and most effective way to save it from extinction.
Like it or not, it's human nature.
@Randomosaur
What kind of reasoning is that? You have a very goofy idea of "human nature". One of the special characteristics of humans is that we don't have to follow our instincts and can surpass our nature. Whales for example are fortunately not hunted anymore except for two countries who still think that they need to do it (while market research shows that there isn't even a market for that in these countries anymore).
Also, tell species like the great auk that them being used by us is saving them from extinction... oh wait, they went extinct because of that very reason. And many whale species will take quite some time until they have repopulated. Not to mention fish populations which are also overhunted. Hunting might help some species, but it's not the best or even one of the best ways to do so.
And wow, just stating that non-exploitative methods don't work makes it a-okay to not even try it in your eyes? That tells me more about you than it tells me about those methods.
And the goalpost moves yet again...
Randomosaur, i didn't ask about exploitation.
And you say 'almost' always fail. So if there's a chance of success, why is it that you consider it RETARDED to prefer such methods?
And, really, if you're going to kill all the rabbits you can find, that just means you're selecting for those rabbits who can hide from you. Reducing their competition, making them more successful, making them more of a pest for the next generation of sociopaths to deal with. So, why aren't YOU just as retarded as animal rights activists making the world worse for future generations?
@Keith
I hate to say it, but you may be right about the rabbits.
However, I stand by the fact that I am NOT a sociopath, that I have empathy (including for some animals), and that this quote was written by me when I felt edgy and angry. I would like this quote to be deleted, or edited to have a disclaimer, but I know that's not gonna happen.
For the record, I have decided that it is pointless to hate on vegans and that posts like this only strengthen their activism. I would NEVER deliberately harm any of my pets or someone else's pets, or any native wildlife, and will stop posting stuff like this.
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