Russian women achieved the vote in 1917. Criticize them as you will – and I do – the Bolsheviks early on inserted equity feminism into the foundations of Russian society. This was a generation or two ahead of similar developments in the West. And it was a good thing. Today Russian women get paid more relative to men than in America or Britain, probably because spending a fortune on a Womyn’s Studies degree and then ranting about the “global patriarchy” at Jezebel or The Guardian when they find out no-one wants to hire (or marry) them isn’t a commonly accepted lifestyle choice.
When American women started demanding more rights many of them embraced gender feminism as the solution. Unlike equity feminism, which corresponds to classical liberal notions of legal equality, gender feminists want to feminize men and institute matriarchy. Matriarchy is of course an oxymoron and in practice means rule by alpha males, coupled with wanton repression of beta males (achieved in the West via alimony law, “rape culture”, harassment lawsuits, etc). Alpha males don’t take shit from feminists and as women they admire them; respectable betas follow the rules, as is their wont, and get shafted for their troubles, because no woman can truly respect a man who submits to her whims.
What you have then is complete social dysfunction, as a result of what is a deeply reactionary and anti-human ideology. It is ironic that (real) Marxism shielded Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe from the much more ruinous scourge that is cultural Marxism.
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"Russian women achieved the vote in 1917."
And promptly lost said vote, because ever since Bolshevik coup d'etat, elections were a "democracy theater" for some 70 years.
"[G]ender feminists want to feminize men and institute matriarchy."
I have yet to meet one. All feminists I talked with are, to use your term, "equity feminists". Or 'feminists', for short.
Russian women achieved the vote in 1917.
That was under the short-lived democratic socialist government. The Bolsheviks didn't give anyone, male or female, a meaningful vote.
Unlike equity feminism, which corresponds to classical liberal notions of legal equality, gender feminists want to feminize men and institute matriarchy.
They also don't exist.
Alpha males don’t take shit from feminists and as women they admire them; respectable betas follow the rules, as is their wont, and get shafted for their troubles, because no woman can truly respect a man who submits to her whims.
Marjan Siklic is applauding you from the depths of his vile-smelling basement.
It is ironic that (real) Marxism shielded Russia and the rest of Eastern Europe from the much more ruinous scourge that is cultural Marxism.
So if you're admitting "cultural Marxism" has nothing to do with Communism, why on Earth would you still call it that? Just be honest and call it "anything I don't like".
So Laura in the post above thinks feminism is a way for women to marry rich men while Anatoly here thinks feminism makes women so bitchy no man wants to marry them.
Lets put these two in a room and watch the fun.
Russian women achieved the vote in 1917.
If I recall correctly, the law in the USSR declared complete equality for women. In theory. Only in theory.
>Uilleam
Actually, they do exist, although they are called radical feminists or rad-fems; for the most infamous specimen here, search for Femitheist Divine, although she is not the only example. Think of it as an extension of Poe's law - just like with parodies, for every strawman (and what is a strawman but a parody presented as the real deal?) you can come up with, there will be someone crazy enough to hold these views.
I'd use the term "alpha male" loosely in regards to good ole Marjie, Uilleam.
For all that thing's calling other guys who don't share the same warped view of women and relationships, "betas", "cucks" and "manginas", it's one of the biggest crybaby professional victims on the Web; one of the biggest hallmarks of a "beta male" according to its' fellow "manosphere" types.
Yes, a continent-spanning prison with totalitarian oppression, constant surveillance, paranoid cadres and spectacularly incompetent economical management is clearly preferable to being rejected romantically.
Die in Sibiria!
@Pharaoh Bastethotep
Damn, forgot about them for a second. Still, contrary to what Anatoly Karlin and those like him wish to believe, your average feminist wouldn't touch a radfem with a ten-mile pole.
"And it was a good thing. Today Russian women get paid more relative to men than in America or Britain, probably because spending a fortune on a Womyn’s Studies degree and then ranting about the “global patriarchy” at Jezebel or The Guardian"
this is probably the only sane part. Were there a vast oppressive patriarchical conspiracy out to disadvantage women and ensure they get paid less, it would probably invent gender studies to keep women's earnings down.
IF you majored in gender studies, you don't get to complain about the wage gap as you're a contributor.
Though this is sorta catch 22, women who majored in gender studies have time to whine about the wage gap as they can't do anything with their degree. Women who majored in ANY USEFUL DISCIPLINE OF VALUE TO SOCIETY don't have time to whine as they're busy getting on with being productive contributors to the civilization in which they live.
WWII: The Eastern Front.
The women who not only built, but crewed those battle-winning T-34s.
It was proved that women were better snipers than men .
In Soviet Russia, wolf-like Alpha Females don't take shit from you .
Here's the thing. If women got together as a collective group and went into STEM fields, a decade from now we would be talking about how they're the "soft disciplines" and they would pay proportionately less than they do now.
For example: Medical fields in Russia are treated like teachers are here, because it’s women who are the doctors instead of men. It's considered a nurturing field, good only to be women's work. The average doctor makes 28,000 rubles a month (12,000 US yearly).
In a reverse in the USA, where the vast majority of doctors are male, we see the second most profitable profession is a surgeon - $260,000 a year. The top three ends with ER doctors with $250,000 a year. (http://www.pravdareport.com/society/stories/18-10-2010/115411-doctors_russia_usa-0/ )
The most profitable professions in Russia are in male dominated fields.
@anonfem:
gender studies doesn't equal feminism...
One is a social movement.
Another is a worthless university degree held primarily by women and primarily aimed at women.
I could say the same. Why are you sniping ineffectually at me? don't you have female orphans to rescue from wells or something?
@Snarky McSmartass:
It's an interesting effect and no I don't deny it exists. There's an alternate theory i've seen proposed rather than blatant discrimination. the theory that it isn't 'women's work' persee that lowers the value. It's that there's an expectation in society that men will earn more than women and that a women will be entitled to be supported by her husband by default, therefore a portion of women going into work are not maximizing their earnings by aggressively pushing for higher wages as the amount of money they get is 'pin money' or a supplement of the household income where as a man is pressured to earn as much as possible. And if you get enough of these women in a field then the average income will start to lower for that field. It's sexism yes, but its not a simple issue. I think it's a situation where we need to remove responsibilities from men and privileges from women and I think then either the problem will level out or the actual sexist discrimination against women will be easier to spot.
it might be that this is only a contributory factor or not actually a valid explaination though. Who knows. It's a theory that believes in women's agency though so it has that going for it.
Well, in the zarist autocratic Russia it was preceded by, men couldn't vote either, mind you(neither really in he Stalinist era, for that matter)
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