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"My evidence that the Founders intended to separate religion and government in the Constitution is overwhelming"

Oh? Where is it?

"The ultimate piece of evidence is the Constitution itself, which is a resolutely secular document - nowhere does it appeal to Christianity, Jesus Christ, the Bible, or even God for that matter."

It also doesn't contain the phrase, "Separation of church and state." Not in whole or in part, not implied or explicit. If your argument is correct, then surely it would be in there. But it isn't. Because you are full of crap.

I knew exactly what your thoughts were when you wrote:

"The idea that Madison's and Jefferson's wall between religion and government works in one direction only – i.e., it serves to protect religion from government, but not government from religion – simply has no basis in history, law, or even common sense."

In other words, "If we are to have true freedom of religion, we must have freedom from religion." That's Orwellian doublespeak and complete Barbra Streisand. Nobody is forcing you to go to church, read the Bible or pray. Period. But people have the right to do these things, the latter two wherever and whenever they bloody well please, which is what the 1st Amendment says.

You have a problem with that? I have good news for you! Several airlines are offering non-stop flights to Cuba! Pack your bags of anti-Christian bigotry, and get out.

I am done with you.

Slidellman4life, Christian News Network 12 Comments [7/10/2016 7:38:49 AM]
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Thinking Allowed

The Constitution also doesn't specify any god. Of course that line in the First Amendment that says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof is a bit of a downer for fundies.

7/10/2016 8:34:53 AM



Not to mention quotes from some founders mentioning a separation of church and state.

7/10/2016 10:21:48 AM

John

it serves to protect religion from government, but not government from religion

This is impossible. Once one religion is permitted to interfere with the government, then the government must automatically be interfering with all the other religions. Actually, the First Amendment covers both bases: it protects religion from government with the "free exercise" clause, and it protects government from religion with the "establishment" clause by forbidding religion from using the government to endorse or proselytize its beliefs.

7/10/2016 11:12:14 AM

KingOfRhye

@Thinking Allowed

No, it's not a "downer for fundies" really, they just interpret it to mean that the government can't tell Christians what to do at any time, for any reason. And that somehow that doesn't apply to those of any other religion.

7/10/2016 2:04:13 PM

Anon-e-moose

My evidence that the Founders intended to separate religion and government in the Constitution is overwhelming

"Oh? Where is it?"

'I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature'

'There is more need for lighthouses in our country than churches.'

'But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.'

'Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear'

'I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.'

'Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man'

'The only way to combat ridiculous propositions is through mockery'

-Thomas Jefferson

'Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise, every expanded prospect'

'In no instance have... the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people'

-James Madison

'The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion'

-George Washington

...stop me when I've sufficiently annihilated your argument, Slimydullman4life.

7/10/2016 3:02:55 PM

nazani14

FFS, read the wikipedia article on "Separation of church and state." Not only will you learn that Jefferson wrote it while clarifying the First Amendment, he borrowed the concept from the founder of the first Baptist church in the US.

7/10/2016 3:10:03 PM

freako104

First amendment says no establishment of religion. You want a theocracy? Try Uganda.

7/10/2016 3:10:42 PM

Old Viking

I am done with you.

Aw, shit!

7/10/2016 4:35:51 PM

Phil O'Macedon

The Wall of Seperation was implied, and Jefferson so stated. And I'm from Slidell myself. Slidell High '76. Was I Wazir? I was.(literally) Move your ass to Picayune. No plane fare required. (I apologize to most of the world for the Senior Class Play inside joke. The production was Kismet.)

7/10/2016 6:03:14 PM

Some Christian Anon

While I like the concept of a theocracy, I am quite against it in practice. Because unless God himself descends from the heavens publicly to declare his choice, we can only trust a man at his word. And giving someone power with no oversight is a recipe for disaster.

7/10/2016 6:54:30 PM

Malingspann

Slidellman4life: "Nobody is forcing you to go to church, read the Bible or pray. Period. But people have the right to do these things, the latter two wherever and whenever they bloody well please, which is what the 1st Amendment says."

Atheist: "The Constitution doesn't specify any particular god. So if what you're saying is true, then Muslims also have the right to go to mosque, read the Koran or pray to Allah, the latter two 'wherever and whenever they bloody well please'! Freedom of religion, REMEMBER?"

Slidellman4life (personally insulted): "The TEXT of the 1st Amendment doesn't specify any particular god because back when it was written, it WENT WITHOUT SAYING that it *specifically meant* the *Christian* God!! The country has just DETERIORATED to the point where folks think the Amendment also protects belief in and worship of demons-in-disguise FALSE gods!!!!"

7/11/2016 1:56:42 AM

Mister Spak

""My evidence that the Founders intended to separate religion and government in the Constitution is overwhelming"

Oh? Where is it? "

In the constitution.

7/11/2016 1:05:32 PM

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