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Quote# 11887

The point that all darwinists miss is that according to this theory there is a constant struggle for survival, however this is manifested it is still a struggle.

The problem is that under this model mankind could not survuve unless there was more cooperation that competition. Since we have survived based on cooperation, it means that there is not now nor could there ever have been a "constant struggle for survival".

Evolution is so patently false that any 8 year old can see it.

Neshama, Sean Hannity Discussion Forum 22 Comments [5/23/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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#38772
TDR

Neshama, to pick one example at random, go and google \"the social contract\".

You may find that what an 8 year old rejects, an 18 year old can argue for.

5/23/2006 8:00:25 PM
#38776
MK

Oh yes. We cooperated with the lions and the gorillas and the antelope to get where we are today. Let's all sing Kum-Bay-Yah with the sharks and tigers...

5/23/2006 8:03:26 PM
#38781
McCulloch

Quantum physics is so patently false that any eight year old can see it.
Yes, Neshama, it takes more than a grade three education to appreciate the complexity of the real world. You will notice this once you get there.

5/23/2006 8:29:00 PM
#38783
Amos

You say: survival is the motive behind cooperation.
And: this is obviously incompatible with evolution which, in contrast, would picture survival as the motive.

I think any 8 year old can see how stupid this is.

5/23/2006 8:30:15 PM
#38800
nico

wrong...

evolution does not rule cooperation between individuals. If cooperation leads to a higher probability of an individual's genes being passed on, then it is a trait that will be passed on. With regard to human development, it was our evolved ability to coordinate and plan hunting trips that let our species take down and consume other physically stronger species such as sabertooth's or mammoth's.

5/23/2006 9:16:00 PM
#38806
mad dog

don't 8 year olds also believe in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny?

5/23/2006 9:32:08 PM
#38811
Julian

OK, so the fact we had to band together to survive, which is why we evolved the way we did, is proof that we didn't have to band togther to survive?

WTF!

5/23/2006 9:41:21 PM
#38812
Amos

A more generous reading would stress the \"struggle\" part. This way, he might be arguing that (1) with cooperation, there is no struggle of man-vs-man or man-vs-nature (2) given there is no struggle, there is either no selective mechanism or selective pressure (I'm not really sure which he's arguing) to choose between men (3) with no selective mechanism, there is no evolution.

He seems to be assuming that live/die are the only options for evolution. But, of course, evolution is actually about differing reproduction rates, which happen even in a peaceful and cooperative culture.

Further, how does our current state of (questionable) cooperation rule out evolution for our entire past and for all species? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

5/23/2006 9:44:30 PM
#38814
whitewater55

Actually, he makes a good argument for the development of speech, bipedalism and social interaction amongst humans. Apart from the fact that he is a Hannity-fuckwad, he's not far off the mark.

5/23/2006 9:47:24 PM
#38831
Incubusion

I'm starting to love saying this...

IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY

5/23/2006 10:14:47 PM
#38837
Papabear

What is a \"darwinist\" anyway? Any 8 year old can see that is a bogus group.

5/23/2006 10:39:22 PM
#38848
Berny

I'm really tired of hearing these fundie retards saying evolution couldn't work that way, or that our origins cannot be explained by it, and yet being unable to produce a logical alternative for the way the world, and life upon it, came to be other than \"Goddidit\".
That answer doesn't explain the fossil record, nor for that matter does Noah's flood.
Go back to the drawing board you morons.

5/24/2006 12:42:25 AM
#38860
awhell

apparently not because you have no idea what you're talking about

5/24/2006 1:36:48 AM
#38866
anon

I wish these people would pick up a goddamned textbook before spouting off. Any one of them will have at least two chapters on altruisim and how it can evolve in different types of animal social structures. Nitwits.

5/24/2006 1:45:25 AM
#38875
Dante's Virgil

My 8 year old can actually explain rudimentary evolution. Went over well during Christmas last year. Guess I'm not as scientifically inept as I thought if my 8 YEAR OLD BOY can comprehend it and Neshama can't.

5/24/2006 2:40:00 AM
#38889
Hadanelith

THE SONG: (returns!)

If you don't know what you're talking 'bout, shut up!
If you don't know what you're talking 'bout, shut up!
If you don't know what you're talking 'bout,
And you really want to shout it out,
If you don't know what you're talking 'bout, SHUT UP!

5/24/2006 5:23:48 AM
#38949
Napoleon the Clown

Uuuuhhhhh.

5/24/2006 8:35:33 AM
#39147
NonHomogenized

*sets Neshama on fire*

*pisses on Neshama to put them out*

There. That was both of my altruistic acts for today.

5/24/2006 7:08:10 PM
#39248
DragonScholar

1) This is stupid. I'd say our cooperation has been a hell of a survival mechanism.

2) I always hear fundies are all for the competition of capitalism, but don't seem to like it in evolution. What gives?

5/25/2006 1:10:13 AM
#1174144
Anonymous Tau

If you have ever been outside the comfort of civilization, you would know what it is to struggle for survival.

6/30/2010 8:25:51 PM
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Life is competitive. The ability to cooperate could itself be a selected trait.

11/7/2010 3:39:49 PM
#1545561
anothga

Um... No. It's a struggle between different species, not different members of the same species.

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