Logic for #HolocaustMemorialDay and #FeelTheBern
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1) Hitler "used democratic socialism" in the sense that he was appointed by a right-wing president to form a right-wing cabinet which then banned all socialist parties, democratic or otherwise, within a month of coming to power.
2) If Bernie Sanders is Jewish and claims to be a democratic socialist, what of it?
3) Using Holocaust Memorial Day for your own sordid political ends is, to put it mildly, despicable.
First: saying "Hitler used democratic [anything]" makes you a retard who deserves to be treated like a child.
Second: The National Socialist German Worker's Party were socialist in the exact same way that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic(or a republic). Calling yourself something doesn't necessarily mean you actually are what you claim to be. You're either hilariously, childishly naïve, or you're being deliberately stupid.
Norway. Social Democratic.
Much of Israel outside of Jerusalem is liberal . A democracy too.
What did Hitler do after he was elected Chancellor, Stevie? He scrapped democracy.
Norway. Israel. Third Reich. One of these things is not like the other.
Which is it?
A certain someone got 60% of the votes in New Hampshire a day or so ago. Feel The Bern indeed.
Never, unless it is in the context of Hitler, has anyone on the right ever suggested that anybody on the left is even remotely a nationalist in any way whatsoever.
Also, Hitler ran as an open nationalist with a slight socialist/populist flavor (down with the elites and all that), not as a socialist who kinda liked his country.
Hitler named his party something that he thought the gullible public would like, to hide his fascism.
Communists were sent to labor camps.
There was nothing democratic about Hitler, and no, he didn't come to power through democratic election. The election was so weak, no-one had majority, and the "ordinary" right-wing party assigned to Hitler and his party to form a government, thinking they could control him.
Sweden's social democrats are what brought us prosperity and welfare, before our right-wing parties took over in 2006, and started copying the worst things about the US, trying to make us into mini-USA.
Hitler was a fascist, not a democratic socialist. If you believe the Nazi party really stood for national socialism, then you must believe that all democratic people's republics really are democracies run by the people.
Outlawed abortion.
Outlawed the teaching of evolution.
Arrested all gays.
Encouraged his followers to own guns.
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@Swede
" before our right-wing parties took over in 2006, and started copying the worst things about the US, trying to make us into mini-USA."
I predict the US right will then use Sweden as an example of how socialism fails.
@ Senomaros
The Nazis had their Strasserite elements that stressed the 'socialist' part of 'national socialism,' though after 1930, this was more or less invisible. The DPRK, by contrast, still sees itself very much as a socialist country, with a socialist constitution, socialist institutions and socialist rhetoric. The Nazis in government hardly used socialist rhetoric or even the word 'socialism'; just last year, Kim Jong-un was talking about making North Korea a 'socialist playground.'
When a Christian is quoted on FSTDT claiming that a figure in history or a living person whose theological views they don't like is not a Christian, people line up to post 'No True Scotsman.' But when a socialist is quoted as saying something fundie, people line up to claim that they are not a socialist; when an OP criticizes a socialist government for doing something horrific, people line up to complain that the regime in question, no matter that it structured its existence around Marxist theory, was not socialist. Funny, that.
@Hasan Prishtina
I was never claiming that DPRK isn't socialist, only that it wasn't democratic (I hope we can agree that this isn't in dispute), so I'd appreciate it if wouldn't compare me to the fundies who rely on the No True Scotsman fallacy. Regarding how socialist Nazi Germany was, you said yourself that these elements were largely gone by the '30s, and I'd argue that a few socialist elements here and there in an overall fascist system isn't really enough to classify it as socialist anyway, but then I'll admit that you probably have a much better understanding of how Nazi Germany's government operated than I do. If my comparison isn't the most accurate and is based on ignorance, I'll happily admit it.
Ultra-Far-Right populist demagogue who uses racism, homophobia, xenophobia, conspiracy theories and reactionary sentiments for his rise to power, claims to want to restore the country's former glory, talks only in repetitive simplistic slogans aimed towards the most stupid of voters, and has a really bad hair style.
Trump or Hitler?
Confused?
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