(Are you okay with the vast amount of suffering in nature?)
I think the reasonable solution is to redesign nature in a way which eliminates wild-life suffering. For example, we can make all animals herbivores. Or create mindless prey animals (I don’t think p-zombies make sense but “animals” that have some simple algorithm instead of a mind can work). Or make it so that the mind of an animal caught by a predator is immediately removed from its body and re-instantiated in a new one.
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Let me guess: Unfortunately, the narrow-minded fools at the Academy, the environmental organisations and the Government refused to aknowledge your brilliant plan and your divine genius and called you mad. But you will show them! Show them all! You will remake the cosmos in your own image!
(Oh, it's on a LessWrong-related blog, so antiquark might actually actually agree.)
You obviously lack even most basic knowledge of most basic biology.
Home? I have no home. Hunted, despised, living like an animal! The jungle is my home. But I will show the world that I can be its master! I will perfect my own race of people. A race of atomic supermen which will conquer the world!
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do you know what happened the last times human artificially removed predators from an ecosystem? brief explosion of the herbivores' populations which led to mass starvation and lasting damage for the local environment.
as for the mindless prey idea: couldn't work. such prey wouldn't stand a chance against natural selection, and will be extinct after few years, at most. if you want to make it long standing solution, you will have to keep supplying new prey. at that point, you basically drop some raw stakes in the wild and allow the predators' populations to increase. it won't stop them from hunting, unless you will do it in sky high levels for some dozens of millennia. maybe by then they become domesticated and lose some of the evolutionary traits that made them good predators. (judging by our knowledge of cats and dogs, even domestication won't be enough).
you failed with both solutions. back to the mad lab you go.
"I think the reasonable solution is to redesign nature in a way which eliminates wild-life suffering. For example, we can make all animals herbivores"
But then you have vegetable suffering.
*reads rest of post. Sees it gets even wierder.*
Or make it so that the mind of an animal caught by a predator is immediately removed from its body and re-instantiated in a new one.
Life isn't a video game, you just don't get to re-up.
> All of which would be better than the solutions your god came up with.
If this is a LW-affiliates blog, he's probably an atheist.
Someone hasn't figured out that we're not in a video game.
Your understanding of ecology suggests an elementary school education. While minimizing suffering is laudable, this is a line from the Good Intentions line of Road to Hell Inc.
Educate yourself, then talk.
Yes, make all animals herbivores! That way, they'll quickly devour all the plants in the world, leaving us with no food or oxygen! Then we'll all die, and BAM, no more suffering!
If we ever colonise other worlds, thinking like this might be useful. I don't know, maybe it's the transhumanist in me talking, but I don't see this as fundie. Overly ambitious perhaps. How about we obtain tasty meat without killing animals by simply cloning juicy steaks directly?
Meh, not fundie. Given the actual ideas he's suggesting, he's entertaining a hypothetical where he's basically omnipotent and can metaphysically redesign reality. I can't say I haven't had similar thoughts, knowing them to be impossible.
Then you must first answer "what is suffering?"
For instance, can a jellyfish suffer? What about fungi or plants? What is your cognitive limit to what is and is not moral to eat?
There are at least as many predatory/omnivorous animals as there are humans.
Good luck in persuading just one puma that has tasted human blood to eat Granola & Nut Loaf, buster.
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