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#32759
Captain Slack
\"The fact that I am aware and I can imagine is proof enough that there is a God.\"
I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could lead someone to make such a statement.
5/4/2006 2:02:56 PM
#32760
Mysteriously Anonymous Guy
<<As for the wolf-kid, there was another incident like that in France. A boy lived in the woods for 13 or so years and was finally found. They taught him social things and manners, but he never fully became a \"regular person\". I think he died around 20. This proves that man needed an intelligent source to learn from. That is, God. [...]
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So God doesn't exist in the woods? I think the logical conclusion from this would be that the 'intelligent source' is man, not God.
5/4/2006 2:08:02 PM
#32762
TDR
MAG, I'd love to see you point that out to him.
5/4/2006 2:15:52 PM
#32777
JustinGG
You need an intelligent source to learn from.
5/4/2006 2:45:25 PM
#32778
Talisman
\"As for the wolf-kid, there was another incident like that in France. A boy lived in the woods for 13 or so years and was finally found. They taught him social things and manners, but he never fully became a \"regular person\". I think he died around 20. This proves that man needed an intelligent source to learn from. That is, God.\"
No. This shows that humans need other humans for social interaction during their formative years if they are to be able to function in a *human* society.
It also shows humans are highly adaptive since they can apparently adopt the societal norms they're born into; be it a human society or a pack of wolves.
It would be nice if you fundies wouldn't shove God into everything as an explanation just because you can't work out a more reasonable way something might have occourred.
5/4/2006 2:46:28 PM
#32791
David D.G.
This looks like another example of fundie reasoning as captured by another commentator here (I forget who): \"I think, therefore God am.\"
~David D.G.
5/4/2006 3:13:36 PM
#32793
Papabear
\"J. R. R. Tolkien said, the imagination brings one closer to the Divine.\"
I agree, to believe one's imaginary friends are real requires something of an imagination.
\"I think he died around 20. This proves that man needed an intelligent source to learn from. That is, God.\"
Then, how do you explain all the atheists who don't die around 20?
\"I think your 'extrapolation' for the non-existence of God is more ludicrous.\"
I think you are one of the last persons who should be critical of the \"extrapolations\" of others.
5/4/2006 3:35:22 PM
#32827
Seth
Actually that kid would have needed to be with humans in order to develop language and social skills.
So much for god being everywhere then.
5/4/2006 4:46:54 PM
#32828
NotMe
If he lived in the woods for 13 years and dies at age 20, how doe this proof god? He survived just fine, only to die once introduced into \"modern\" society.
5/4/2006 4:47:07 PM
#32839
Luffy
I love the whole \"Mr. Atheist\" shpiel. It just screams, \"I'm stupid, and cocky about it too!\"
5/4/2006 5:21:23 PM
#32846
Bone_Vulture
Points for MAG, a fine comeback.
5/4/2006 5:34:14 PM
#32883
Papabear
If God is such a necessary part of human life, why did the omnipotent, omniscient, good and loving God, whose judgements are true and righteous altogether, let this poor boy languish alone in the woods for 13 years?
5/4/2006 8:37:47 PM
#32903
Julian
...and logic brings one closer to reality!
When you start believing your imagination; that my friend, is called a delusion.
5/4/2006 9:32:00 PM
#32917
whitewater55
The point of the post he was replying to was that \"feral\" children, when recovered from the wilds, and after learning speech, had no conception whatever of the \"divine\", or had developed any sort of \"religious\" behaviours. They need interaction with brainwashing religious teachers to develop that concept.
5/4/2006 9:50:52 PM
#32968
Napoleon the Clown
Last I checked, Tolkien wasn't God's messanger boy.
5/4/2006 11:05:37 PM
#32984
Alex W.
Ah, my eyes! They burn!!
5/4/2006 11:50:49 PM
#33015
Dante's Virgil
Well, Tolkien said it, so it *must* be true. Now lets all go talk in an Elven tongue and look for Ents.
5/5/2006 1:55:03 AM
#33067
Yahweh
Originally posted by Wander
As for the wolf-kid, there was another incident like that in France. A boy lived in the woods for 13 or so years and was finally found. They taught him social things and manners, but he never fully became a \"regular person\". I think he died around 20. This proves that man needed an intelligent source to learn from. That is, God. [...]
I think your \"extrapolation\" for the non-existence of God is more ludicrous.
So in a flying somersault of logic, Wander says that wolf-kids are proof of God, and
the other person's extrapolation is ludicrous?
5/5/2006 6:02:10 AM
#33102
Maronan
NtC— What do you mean, Tolkein wasn't God's messenger boy? He wrote Lord of the Rings, right? LotR is a much better book than the Bible. Of course, Tolkein wasn't a \"real\" prophet/messenger when compared to Douglas Adams, Dave Barry, and the Pythons. (*Dodges tomatoes thrown by LotR fans.*)
5/5/2006 8:53:53 AM
#33345
J. Twiford
\"If he lived in the woods for 13 years and dies at age 20, how doe this proof god? He survived just fine, only to die once introduced into \"modern\" society.\"
Every time I read about these kind of things, it always seems the children/people die soon after being \"saved\" by society... often after fruitless attempts to \"save\" them into religion :(
5/6/2006 12:51:34 AM
#33352
Julian
Wander needs to go watch The Rabbit Proof Fence!
And consider what happened to all the South Americans that died of small pox when God was introduced to their lives by the Spanish and Portuguese.
5/6/2006 1:16:44 AM
#33442
NonHomogenized
\"The fact that I am aware and I can imagine is proof enough that there is a God.\"
Well, I agree that it is somewhat of a miracle that someone without a brain is aware, and able to type, but I hardly think it's conclusive evidence for god.
5/6/2006 8:18:53 AM
#397216
Cagnazzo
Sucks that I found this site over a year and a half after this quote, so responding to anyone's comments is largely unnecessary. Still, I'm bored and actually learned some of this recently.
"\"The fact that I am aware and I can imagine is proof enough that there is a God.\"
I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could lead someone to make such a statement."
This theory is from some work by Descartes, though I can't remember what it was. Basically, his argument went "I think, therefore I am". Then "because I think, there is a non-physical thinking part of me, which is a soul, which proves God". So that's where he's getting it, though to be honest, I lost a great deal of respect for Descartes when I saw how flimsy his logic was. "I think, therefore God". For lack of a better phrase, he didn't show his work.
2/3/2008 6:09:14 AM
#476745
cyborgtroy
Well if you actually find any evidence, let me know.
And for the wolf kid, it seem oddly coincidental that someone who grew up without human parents and without God turned out like that, while someone who grew up with both turned out normal. Come to think of it, I just had parents. Both of them were atheists too. I think that proves God is not a big player in a child's understanding of the social contract or human behavior.
4/24/2008 10:36:32 PM
#476746
cyborgtroy
While we're at it, I imagine there is proof for the existence of the Celestial Teapot, and since there's no evidence against it, it must be there.
4/24/2008 10:37:10 PM
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