1. Do you accept that sexual orientation is not a choice?
This is irrelevant. God commands against sin and if he defines certain sexualities as sinful, then we must obey. We have no choice in the fact that we are all born sinners under the wrath of God according to Adam’s fall, but the fact that we have no choice in the matter does not make us any less accountable to God. As a species created in God’s image, in light of Adam’s fall, all of us are sin oriented. Our own corruption and condemnation was never our personal choice. However, God in his mercy gives us Jesus Christ as a ransom for sin, so that through faith in Jesus we can become justified and no longer condemned. None of us chose our corrupt nature, and none of us choose which sins trip us up the most, but that does not validate our actions or give us license to continue in our disobedience to God.
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So, your god creates people acertain way and then makes their life "an abomination" just to torture them for the lulz? Right.
Since Jesus didn't say shit about gays (Paul did, but he is mouth-breather, spittle flecked frother), what does that tell you?
You have a huge conundrum. In one spot, Jesus said he fulfilled all the law so that the old covenant no longer applies - that means you can eat pork & lobster. That also means being is no longer an abomination. Jesus ALSO said that he did not come to change the laws, they are to be upheld to the end of day and not changed in the least bit. So, gays are still an abomination, but so is eating lobster, shrimp, pork, and all those lovely Leviticus Laws. Which is it?
You can stand the thought of homosexuality having a physical cause - like skin color - because then your position for trying to denigrate & persecute us becomes so much more problematical, doesn't it?
God defined eating shellfish as sinful. Or rather, the Bible does; no gods have presented themselves to state their views for a looooong time, if ever. As there are thousands of gods, they do have to show some kind of credentials that it's their creation and not one of the other's. And no, the Bible doesn't count, or the Quran, the Torah, the Bhagavad Gita, the Poetic Edda, etc all count too.
If God doesn't like sin, why did he make us all sinners?
I agree, none of us choose which "sins" trip us up the most, so we should all be allowed to make as good a life as we can with the circumstances we're place in, as long as we don't infringe on others' rights, of course.
Blakodeel: "God commands against sin and if he defines certain sexualities as sinful, then we must obey."
Atheist: "Even if these sexualities can be practiced in ways that doesn't hurt anybody?"
Blakodeel: "'Doesn't hurt anybody' is irrelevant. Once again - *God commands*, *we must obey*! God doesn't have to justify his commands to us because *He* is in charge of *us*, not vice versa!!"
Atheist: "Why would anyone want to worship such a complete ass-clown God?"
Blakodeel: "If you don't, he'll smite you!"
"However, God in his mercy gives us Jesus Christ as a ransom for sin, so that through faith in Jesus we can become justified and no longer condemned."
And there is the screw in your reasoning, dude. Even IF you condemn people like us as sinners (which, as you point out, everyone is by default), you just pointed out that there is an out. Except that an ass like you simply refuses to accept that anyone that does things you find icky could possibly ever take that out, or that it would even be offered.
*sigh* Sometimes I think people are intentionally missing the message just to troll the rest of us...
"God commands against sin and if he defines certain sexualities as sinful, then we must obey."
Ted Faggard. Therefore God made him gay.
Your own 'argument' is worse -than invalid, never mind irrelevant.
The heavenly lord and master
Saw man heading for a hellish disaster
Why'd he send his son in
To take away sin
When snapping his fingers'd be faster?
And by just a mere limerick is your whole 'belie fs' annihilated. Just ask Jonathan Edwards . One can choose to not be a Christian; and he was a long -time one; OSAS and all that jazz...!
...and then there's Ted Faggard. Who, of couuuuuurse is Completely Heterosexual. [/hyper-sarcasm]
Also, King James I, who was as gay as they come. Gay king, thus gay Bible, ergo gay God ...! [/mega-paradox]
I can not and will not wrap my mind around the concept of an entity being so cruel as to create people a certain way, then punish them for acting on it. That's a tyrant, a bully and a sadist - not a god.
However, God in his mercy gives us Jesus Christ as a ransom for sin, so that through faith in Jesus we can become justified and no longer condemned. None of us chose our corrupt nature, and none of us choose which sins trip us up the most, but that does not validate our actions or give us license to continue in our disobedience to God.
I got a better question. Why is your god so evil and sadistic?
"None of us chose our corrupt nature". "Our own corruption and condemnation was never our personal choice."
That means our corrupt nature is because god made us corrupt? God made us fucked-up? And then punishes us for acting exactly the way he made us? Everything that happens is "god's will", right? Just the way he wants it, right? And being omniscient, he knew exactly how everything would turn out before he even started, and yet he didn't do anything about it, even though he is omnipotent?
And you worship this god?
Wrong again. There is no such thing as "must obey". IF you choose to subscribe to that religious tradition it applies to you, and you SHOULD obey, although not all do. But all religions are choices ....they are all optional.
Why would I want to worship a god who says fuck you and curses a group of people from birth for no apparent reason. I'll let birth defects and inherited diseases slide, because those aren't sins, but God defining a certain sexuality sinful and then making people of that sexuality is just supreme dickishness.
Even if God is real, I refuse to worship him assuming he is that sort of god. He can send me to hell for all I care. At least I wouldn't have spent life sucking up to a cosmic tyrant. It would basically be like the people who got sent to the concentration camps in Nazi Germany because of their ideology.
God in his mercy gives us Jesus Christ as a ransom for sin, so that through faith in Jesus we can become justified and no longer condemned
He sacrificed himself to himself to spare us of the punishment he chose to impose on us.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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