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You guys are always saying this. Why don't you give evidence for your own claims ? What has Hovind, Gish or Ham ever said that was faulty ?

RichardT, Christian Forums 37 Comments [4/22/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: CousinTed
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#29529
noself

Where to start.....

4/22/2006 5:54:42 AM
#29530
Julian

The mind boggles...

What the hell have they ever said that's meritorious?

4/22/2006 5:58:28 AM
#29532
Jeremy PC

Sometimes I wonder (not for long though) if Hovind et al are willfully lying or if they really believe the nonsense they spout.

4/22/2006 6:00:51 AM
#29544
Julian

Jeremy. Interesting idle discussion point. Anyone brave enough to psychoanalyse his dribble?

From the little I've seen I'd say it's quite deliberate. The levels of deception and corner cutting he has used in aspects of his financial affairs, the lack of intellectual integrity and the deliberate fabrication of strawmen, non sequiturs and ad hominems are clearly biased, polemic and disturbing, and CLEARLY he had no intention at all of being accurate or honest.

Therefore, we are left with, he is deliberately peddling snake oil to the desperate masses as a charlatan fulfilling a demand. Given the debates he's been in, given the evidence that is out there, given he deliberately perverts and twists facts, to entirely misrepresent evolution etc, this has to be purposeful and deliberate! His refusal to update, correct or remove fraudulent or misleading information or anything proven to be incorrect, shows he is not in the slightest degree, interested in the truth.

Here's a couple of links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_lies.htm

Dunno how many of these you can wade through - I found them worse than the batshit in CTSTDT!
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Pier/1766/hovindlies/index.html

4/22/2006 8:25:22 AM
#29571
Seomah

When you lie so much and for so long you end up believing your own lies. Has Hovind reached that point yet? I think he's in the edge.

4/22/2006 11:30:01 AM
#29572
Skyfire

I also seem to recall reading that either Hovind or Ham openly advocates that children disrupt their science classes any time evolution comes up.

Which is, quite frankly, almost as idiotic as those protestors who flew the Mexican flag over the American one.

4/22/2006 11:42:19 AM
#29577
The Last Conformist

My impression is that Gish is a liar for the lord and that Hoodwinked Hovind is a phantast who believes every word that comes out of his mouth.

4/22/2006 12:46:47 PM
#29595
Smeagol

\"Bugs don't have nostrils. Bugs breath through their skin through sphericals. I don't think you could even demonstrate, believe it or not, I don't think you could demonstrate bugs are alive!\"
-\"Dr.\" Kent Hovind

\"Accepting millions of years of the geological ages (as the evolutionists interpret the fossil record) destroys the Bible’s teaching on death, which clearly indicates that there was no animal death or human death before the Fall.\"
-Ken Ham
\"You see, where Archaeopteryx has some features associated both with birds and reptiles, it certainly was not intermediate; none of the structures were intermediate. I think maybe we can look at Australopithecine in the same way. Definitely, I would not say they were not ancestral to man. But again, that’s the general consensus of evolutionists.\"
-Duane Gish

How's THAT for faulty?!

4/22/2006 2:13:13 PM
#29600
TDR

if the aforementioned \"guys\" are \"always\" saying it, maybe you should, just one time, listen?

4/22/2006 2:38:57 PM
#29607
Talisman

\"What has Hovind, Gish or Ham ever said that was faulty ?\"

Anything beyond \"Hello, my name is...\"

4/22/2006 2:57:02 PM
#29608
mad dog

What has Joseph Goebbels ever said that was false?

4/22/2006 2:57:49 PM
#29616
RichardT

I didn't find this quote of mine too funny , I don't know why you guys submitted it..

4/22/2006 3:38:25 PM
#29621
Jeremy PC

I found it to be pretty hilarious RichardT.....

4/22/2006 4:02:54 PM
#29623
MK

It's not that it was \"funny\", Richard, so much as \"mind-boggling daring in its invitation to ridicule and brutal rebuttal.\"

4/22/2006 4:08:54 PM
#29634
mad dog

Of course you didn't find it funny. Wanna guess why? BECAUSE YOU WROTE IT!

4/22/2006 5:26:47 PM
#29655
Papabear

RichardT -- The shorter list might be \"what have they said that was not faulty?\"

As to your post not being funny, so what? This sight is \"Fundies Say The *Darnedest* Things\" not just funny things. Anyone who implies that \"Dr.\" Bovine, Ham or Gish spout anything but crap is saying a \"darnedest\" thing.

4/22/2006 6:30:44 PM
#29668
CousinTed

Richard, you are far too gullible for your own good.

4/22/2006 7:13:41 PM
#29704
Julian

Seriously Richard, that'd be like saying, \"You guys are always laying into him, but what's Dubbya ever mispronouncified\"?

4/22/2006 9:11:53 PM
#29745
Rosie

Insects have sphericals? That's brilliant.

(For those not down with insect anatomy, they are actually *spiracles*)

4/23/2006 12:04:30 AM
#29747
Hadanelith

Allow me to get my list...

4/23/2006 12:07:32 AM
#29775
kmisho

Do you mean simple errors of fact or the documented lies?

4/23/2006 2:56:19 AM
#30018
Broken Egg

Everything.

4/23/2006 9:58:54 PM
#30025
Crosis

<<< I didn't find this quote of mine too funny , I don't know why you guys submitted it.. >>>

Because the idea that Hovind, Gish, and Ham have said much of *anything* that isn't horribly faulty (especially Hovind) is hilarious to anyone who's ever taken a biology class. Or a geology class. Or a chemistry class, for that matter.

4/23/2006 10:40:22 PM
#30070
Julian

Or a theology class.
Or a physics class.

4/24/2006 12:54:13 AM
#30112
Smeagol

Or a kindergarten class.

4/24/2006 5:00:18 AM
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