Minister Jus #fundie

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[To even imply that it is a woman's fault when she is raped is despicable.]

Don't misinterpret what I'm saying. It's part of the woman's fault for getting raped if she dresses in a manner that would bring unwanted attention. But, it's the rapist's fault if he gets horny due to a girl's way of dress.

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old comment by Julian

Further to all this, it's also the woman's fault for:
* Breathing in a provocative manner attracting attention. * Moving in a provocative manner attracting attention. * Having the orthodox number of breasts (2), that face forward, and are in the general rib area - in a provocative manner attracting attention. * Being on the streets without a male chaperone! (At least they're admitting some guilt, previously they used to confess their sins, be forgiven and burn the girl at the stake for being a witch and causing lust) NotMe - #31696. Don't forget DEEP down, he absolutely loved the sweet ecstacy/agony of your hard steel plunging deep inside him too, he just wont admit it.

old comment by roadrunner570

I don't believe it is ever the woman's fault for being raped. I do feel that women should exercise good judgement and caution in taking care of themselves and providing for their own personal safety. Being a stripper that makes housecalls has to be a very dangerous job, with a lot of potential for things to go very wrong.
That said, if in fact this woman was raped by these men, then they should in fact pay the price for their crime. But I've known girls here who had been attacked who were nearly passed out drunk at parties. Was it their fault they were raped or attacked? No. Did they put themselves into an usafe situation? Yes. I am not blaming them, but am more concerened and saddened when women make unsafe choices like this.

old comment by Lya Kahlo

"I do feel that women should exercise good judgement and caution in taking care of themselves and providing for their own personal safety." Meaning that the responsibility for rape isn't on the perverts that do it, but upon the women who don't realize they can't do things that men can - i.e. going out to a bar, going out alone, or going out at all really, without being attacked. "But I've known girls here who had been attacked who were nearly passed out drunk at parties." So? While I realize you're not saying it is then okay to rape her - why should a woman not be able to do this and not also be able to expect a level of personal safety? Instad of bemoaning her "lack of good judgement" (This is really no better than that the sick fundie said.) why are we not fighting the attitude that says raping a passed out woman is okay?

old comment by Alena

"Oh, she could have taken better precautions."

Bull-fucking-shit. So, what, I'm supposed to live in fear? Have a checklist that I need to look over before I go outside after 5pm?

WEAR BAGGY, UNAPPEALING CLOTHING -- check
NOT GO TO A BAR, OR CLUB, OR ANYWHERE FUN -- check
BE MALE -- che-oh, fuck, wait. I guess I can never go outside after dark, then.

I refuse to live in fear. If a man went out for a walk after dark, wearing normal clothes -- say, a pair of boot-cut jeans and a sleeveless shirt -- and ended up being murdered, no one would EVER, EVER imply that it was his fault because he went out after dark, or wore revealing clothing, or didn't go out with another male.

So why is rape different? Why is rape so fucking different that women need to "take precautions" beyond the usual for going out at night? I don't give a shit what anyone says -- if people say, "Oh, she could have done this," they're not being helpful. They're IMPLYING THAT IT'S PARTIALLY THE VICTIM'S FAULT.

Instead of telling women, "Don't wear revealing clothing; don't go out after dark; have a male chaperone; etc." perhaps we should be telling everyone else, "DON'T RAPE. IT IS NEVER OKAY. IF SHE'S DRUNK, IT'S RAPE. IF SHE'S HIGH, IT'S RAPE. IF SHE SAYS NO -- WHETHER IT'S BEFORE SEX OR RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT -- YOU'D BETTER STOP, BECAUSE IT'S RAPE IF YOU DON'T. IF SHE IS IN FEAR FOR HER PERSONAL SAFETY, IT'S RAPE."

The same goes for any male in that situation. If he's drunk, high, says no, fears for his personal safety... it's rape, so get the fuck off of him.

And so long as people can still use the "she was asking for it / was wearing provocative clothing / is a slut anyway!" defense, then we are still not sending the right fucking message.

old comment by Equalist

I am in no way a rape apologist. Rape is a vile and horrific crime, but there is an element of risk that women should avoid. A woman should feel safe leaving a window open at night in her own home. However, if a woman lives in an unsafe neighborhood, and there's a known serial rapist running loose, this should factor into her decision as well. A woman should feel safe walking down the street at night. But when that street is a back alley in the middle of a bad area of town, and she's alone, drunk, and dressed provocatively, then again, there's an element of risk that should be taken into account. Women and men should be free to feel safe, but that does not give them the right to expect complete safety while putting themselves in known unsafe situations.

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