Memaw #fundie

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I would trust a Christian counseling , (working with GOD), way over a secular counseling. (They don't seem to work all that great anyway.) It worked for Josh, now if people will just stop making victims of the Duggars and let them get on with their life, Josh and his family too. That happened many years ago, they have moved on very nicely and live a very Christian life. Which is more than we can say about to many in our society. When ADULTS condone abortion, homosexuality, sex with anyone they want, even when married to someone else, pornography, trash on TV, etc,etc and etc. Who are we to judge a young boy for making bad judgements and repenting and asking forgiveness for them. And making a GOOD life for himself. The law was supposed to protect him from all this media trashing but the law failed this young man and his family. And many are jumping on the band wagon. It is unfair for those who were molested by someone to take it out on Josh. Forgiveness brings a lot of peace. The Duggars have handled this very well. They helped their son while safeguarding the other children. I give them a lot of credit on how they did that. How about we just leave them alone so they can get on with their life in peace. God Bless, Memaw

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old comment by SnowyGlaceon

Josh molested his sisters. He MOLESTED them. He actually caused legitimate harm to someone else for sexual gratification. Defending the pedophile who molested his sisters and then said "Oh, sorry" shows naught but your blue and orange morality. Right and wrong aren't as simple as Christian and Non-Christian, people following your belief system can and do do horrible things and those that don't do not necessarily do them.

If this had been a gay atheist you would be hopping up and down begging for a lynch mob. This man is naught but a monster. I don't care what brand of religion he subscribed to, he could be Christian, Hindu, Atheist, Muslim, I don't care.

What you are displaying is what is called a double standard.

@Vera: Don't feel bad, a few of us including myself have to deal with fundie parents. Hang in there.

old comment by True2God

I never said that what Josh Duggar did was a good thing. Some people think I'm defending Josh because he's a devout, prominent, Republican-supporting Christian. Well, there was that time Chris Brown brutally beat Rhianna. Some people say Chris Brown got off easy. Well I say, if the only punishment was rehabilitation and paying Rhianna maybe $10,000, that would've been fine. Why? Because I don't think Rhianna pressed charges and I remember reading Rhianna forgave him. Also, Chris felt bad about what he did. Also, maybe Rhianna did something to provoke Chris Brown.

Why am I mentioning this? Because if Chris Brown's a Christian, he's not a prominent, devout one. He seems to be an Obama-supporter. He's certainly no Duggar or Tebow.

Consider this. Josh's wife KNEW Josh had fondled 5 girls BEFORE marrying him and before having kids with him. First of all, that was admirable. Josh risked losing Anna by telling her the truth. Second of all, would Anna have married Josh and had kids with him if he hadn't been rehabilitated?

If 19 Kids and Counting is cancelled, that would be punishing the sisters Josh fondled. Do Jill and Jessa, who are two of the victims want the show cancelled?

Josh felt bad about what he did. And did you know Josh cares about queers?

Look at what creativerealms said: "this is something that happened a long time ago and punishing Josh for it now is pointless."

Did you know Jill and Jessa Duggar were recently interviewed about the fondling incident? Here's what I found on a Dailymail article:

It wasn’t like a horror story or this terrible thing,’ Jessa insisted in the interview, as both siblings stressed that the two of them and the rest of their family, including Josh, had dealt with the trauma and put it behind them a long time ago.

Jessa Duggar also pointed out that she know 'so many girls who go through things way worse.'

The 22-year-old mother-to-be told the Fox News host: 'I do want to speak up in his defense against people who are calling him a child molester or a pedophile or a rapist, some people are saying.

'I'm like, that is so overboard and a lie, really. I mean, people get mad at me for saying that but I am like, I can say this, you know? I was one of the victims.'

True2God: And there's this:

'Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls,' explained Jessa.

'And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices, but, really, the extent of it was mild inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while [the] girls were sleeping. '

After Josh Duggar, then 14, confessed the truth about fondling his sisters in their sleep to his parents, he came and asked Jill and Jessa individually for forgiveness.

The young women said they had a choice to make, and they chose to forgive him

old comment by SHODAN

@ True2God

1) Sexuality is not a choice. Being raised in a Christian home will not reduce the chance of someone being gay, only reduce the chance of them coming out and admitting it because of a fear of their family being homophobic assholes.

2)"Also, maybe Rihanna did something to provoke Chris Brown." Victim blaming? Stay classy why don't you?

In fact, allow me to quote a better man than I'll ever be on the matter, "as a child I heard in my home, doctors and ambulance men say, "Mrs Stewart, you must have done something to provoke him. Mrs Stewart, I takes two to make an argument." Wrong. Wrong, my mother did nothing to provoke that and even if she had, violence is never, ever a choice a man should make." - Patrick Steward, speaking about domestic abuse in his childhood.

3) I sincerely doubt that Josh's wife had much of a choice in her marriage to Josh and having his kids, given how fundie households treat women.

4) Yes his sisters forgave him and that's admirable on their part (Unless they were forced into that statement by their family). However it does NOT remove Josh's culpability in the eyes of the law, nor does it account for his family's attempt to pervert the course of justice (an actual crime in of itself) by covering it up.

old comment by Yossarian Lives

"When ADULTS condone abortion, homosexuality, sex with anyone they want, even when married to someone else, pornography, trash on TV, etc,etc and etc. Who are we to judge a young boy for making bad judgements and repenting and asking forgiveness for them. And making a GOOD life for himself."

We judge him because his actions violated the consent of other, existing people. None of the standard fundie hot topic that you mention involve the actual harming of another person, or a violation of their rights. The good life he is now able to enjoy has come about because of his parents abilities to cover-up the scandal and present him, and the rest of the family, as shining role models with a picture perfect image. A ploy that has obviously fooled you.

"The Duggars have handled this very well."

They've handled it well coming from the perspective of considering their PR campaign amongst gullible idiots, yes. However, they haven't handled it well when it comes to ensuring what's best for the victims or even for Josh. If they allowed the legal system to deal with Josh, he would have gone through the courts, he would have been punished, and he would then his forgiveness would be coming from someone with a more honest and genuine position. Anyone can say that they've found regret for their actions through religion, it doesn't mean that they are being truthful.

old comment by Doubting Thomas

I would trust a Christian counseling , (working with GOD), way over a secular counseling. It worked for Josh

You mean sending a 15-year-old kid to work for a contractor for a couple months is Christian counseling? And when said Christian was later found to have sexually harassed women himself?

That happened many years ago, they have moved on very nicely

Yeah, by covering the whole thing up and telling the girls to keep quiet about what happened to them.

Who are we to judge a young boy for making bad judgements

You can't seriously say that you would say this very same thing about some atheist who molested his sisters 12 years ago.

The Duggars have handled this very well.

You mean like their disastrous interview where they tried to shift the blame to the authorities for releasing the report?

They helped their son while safeguarding the other children.

By ignoring the problem while it went on for about a year.

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The record says he committed FORCIBLE fondling on girls as young as four, some of it under their clothing. That is sexual assault.

All straight fifteen year old boys are "curious about girls". They don't work that out by sneaking into bedrooms and violating tiny children, repeatedly. That's pedophilia, which can not be "counseled" away. If it could, we wouldn't have a problem with pedophile priests re-offending in parish after parish, now would we?

As far as forgiveness, I'd have no problem with the Duggar girls choosing to forgive their brother, if they weren't so brainwashed and sheltered that they clearly don't even understand the crime. Personal forgiveness, however, has nothing to do with the law or the protection of society against people like him. Nor does it make it okay for him to be allowed to get away with multiple crimes (in part by lying to the cop who finally got the report) or for those crimes to be covered up. It also does nothing to protect the defenseless children who now live with him.

Just for fun, change the name Duggar to Obama (at 15). How much forgiveness do you feel now?

old comment by True2God

FSTDT commenters said stuff like this to me:

"if it were a liberal, or, god forbid, a homosexual who did this, there would be no call for forgiveness or mercy and no talk of 'made peace with the victims'. You would be crying for the offenders head on a pike"

I wanted that kind of accusation to stop. So I posted this:

"Well, there was that time Chris Brown brutally beat Rhianna. Some people say Chris Brown got off easy. Well I say, if the only punishment was rehabilitation and paying Rhianna maybe $10,000, that would've been fine. Why? Because I don't think Rhianna pressed charges and I remember reading Rhianna forgave him. Also, Chris felt bad about what he did. Also, maybe Rhianna did something to provoke Chris Brown."

"Why am I mentioning this? Because if Chris Brown's a Christian, he's not a prominent, devout one. He seems to be an Obama-supporter. He's certainly no Duggar or Tebow."

I wanted people to know that Josh has been rehabilitated. So I posted this:

"Josh's wife KNEW Josh had fondled 5 girls BEFORE marrying him and before having kids with him. First of all, that was admirable. Josh risked losing Anna by telling her the truth. Second of all, would Anna have married Josh and had kids with him if he hadn't been rehabilitated?"

Remember, what Josh did, he has to live with that. creativerealms who's a fellow FSTDT commenter and probably an atheist or agnostic, he or she says punishing Josh now is pointless.

Google Youtube Josh Duggar Molestation Scandal - Megyn Kelly Jim Bob Michelle Duggar FULL Interview Kelly File

Also Google Youtube [Full Interview] Megyn Kelly Interviews Sisters Jill Duggar & Jessa Duggar Girls

So many FSTDT commenters say negative things about Josh and his parents, but have they watched Megyn Kelly interviewing Jim Bob and Michelle and then Jessa and Jill who are two of Josh's victims? These FSTDT commenters who say such negative things about Josh and his parents should listen to what two of the victims have to say!

Jessa said "I do want to speak up in his defense against people who are calling him a child molester or a pedophile or a rapist, some people are saying. I'm like, that is so overboard and a lie, really.". Jessa also said "And he made some bad choices, but, really, the extent of it was mild inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while [the] girls were sleeping." About her parents, Jessa said, "they handled the situation very well.".

So there you have it. Josh is NOT a child molester or a pedophile or a rapist. Josh's parents handled the situation very well. And what Josh did was MILD AT MOST!

old comment by Anon-e-moose

A certain fundie retard said stuff like this to me:

" I can't help but feel the world would be a better, happier place if all the homosexuals [...] would just [...] Kill themselves.

He wants that proof of his bigotry to continue.

So many FSTDT commenters say negative things about Josh Buggar. But KiddyDiddlingCondoner4God should read about Operation Yewtree.

That is why FSTDT commenters say negative things about Josh Buggar.

I can't help but feel the world would be a better, happier place if all the right-wing Funda[I]mental[/I]ist Christains would just kill themselves. [/Sauce for the Goose]

If the likes of Ohio pastor Seth Oiler can do so, what's their excuse? Because if 'Suicide is a Sin' is purely Catholic doctrine - and you Protestant fundies are supposed to consider all forms of Popery to be anathema to you lot, then surely it'd simply mean you'd get to meet your maker/'(C)Rapture' yourselves faster, and thus avoid this 'sinful', satanic & increasingly secular world, then all the better. You lot always bang on & on about how you are 'In this world, but not of it', do you not...?! >:D

Like I say: if Sethypoos can 'Just Do It' [/Black Nikes worn by the 'Heaven's Gate'-rs], then what's your excuse, fundies?!

old comment by Tfaddict

Oh, I missed that comment at first TTG! My apologies. I'll make up for it at once.

First, that's exactly what's happening here. You constantly slander gays by calling them molesters and then you turn right around and defend a complete monster guilty for the crimes you wrongfully accuse gays of. Tell me how that makes send. And second, are you really defending Chris Brown to make a point? Because the situations are not compatible. Chris Brown is a complete scumbag who got off to lightly, true, but domestic abuse is different then child molestation. The distinction is not the severity, but the opinions on the subject by you wretched subhumans*. Your holy book does not condem, but encourage, domestic abuse. So if someone beats their wife, then you don't care. But your holy book DOES condem rape.

Onto the rest: As I have previously stated, I have had the deep misfortune of having a child rapist as an uncle by marriage. To be fair, my aunt was an abusive wretch who cared for nobody but herself, but the point remains. People will ignore some pretty heinous shit in the name of infatuation. Him still being married despite his transgressions is not a defense, but rather a circumstance that reveals the terrible nature of the wife.

Canceling that show would be a blessing. Not only is it a monument to human stupidity at the level of keeping up with the karadshians, but it also shows how needlessly selfish people can be.The little girls would not be punished by its cancellation, and in fact would be rewarded. They have to go onto national television, in front of millions, and see their abuser receive acclaim and sympathy, all while they are forced to keep quiet about what he had done to them and have their plights ignored while the positive spotlight and love is given to people who are terrible and abusive.

I highly doubt Josh feels remorse. I believe it is very likely, nay almost certain, that he is simply pretending to feel guilt for his crimes. Add the fact that he is consistently defended and has his heinous actions be treated as acceptable by many, and the possibility of genuine guilt is even more remote.

His opinion on gay people does not matter. That's like saying that since Hitler fought for animal rights* he is exonerated. Real life simply does not work in such a manner.

Personally, I disagree with creativerealms on this. This is not an action that has a punishment time limit. If one is to rape he should be punished, no matter how long it takes.

One, the daily mail is only slightly less trustworthy then fox. Two, that statement is actually more damning.

We know that the Duggars care not for the feelings of those children, and indeed punish them instead of the true culprit. The girls are forced to lie about the topic and pretend it doesn't matter, by the parents themselves. There are two probable reasons for their statements: one, the were forced to say that regardless of their feelings, or the parents have conditioned them to the point the actually do believe it, which is a horrific crime in it's own right.

So in essence, those statements are likely not their true feelings. And presenting them as such is just as bad or worse than defending Josh.

*still not Godwin if it's true.

old comment by Tfaddict

Oh, I missed that comment at first TTG! My apologies. I'll make up for it at once.

First, that's exactly what's happening here. You constantly slander gays by calling them molesters and then you turn right around and defend a complete monster guilty for the crimes you wrongfully accuse gays of. Tell me how that makes send. And second, are you really defending Chris Brown to make a point? Because the situations are not compatible. Chris Brown is a complete scumbag who got off to lightly, true, but domestic abuse is different then child molestation. The distinction is not the severity, but the opinions on the subject by you wretched subhumans. Your holy book does not condem, but encourage, domestic abuse. So if someone beats their wife, then you don't care. But your holy book DOES condem rape.

His opinion on gay people does not matter. That's like saying that since Hitler fought for animal rights* he is exonerated. Real life simply does not work in such a manner.

Personally, I disagree with creativerealms on this. This is not an action that has a punishment time limit. If one is to rape he should be punished, no matter how long it takes.

One, the daily mail is only slightly less trustworthy then fox. Two, that statement is actually more damning.

So in essence, those statements are likely not their true feelings. And presenting them as such is just as bad or worse than defending Josh.

*still not Godwin if it's true.

old comment by Scratch

"ADULTS condone abortion, homosexuality, sex with anyone they want, even when married to someone else, pornography, trash on TV, etc,etc and etc"

Whereas you chirstians condone ACTUAL GODDAMNED CHILD MOLESTATION you FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

"And making a GOOD life for himself."

Good people aren't ACTUAL CHILD MOLESTERS, are you kidding me?

"The law was supposed to protect him from all this media trashing but the law failed this young man and his family."

No it wasn't.
The law is supposed to determine whether a person is guilty or innocent. It doesn't protect anyone

"It is unfair for those who were molested by someone to take it out on Josh."

Are you kidding me? Are you even reading the shit you are typing. You are literally saying it's unfair for the LITTLE GIRLS HE MOLESTED TO BE ANGRY AT HIM.

Fucking. I give up you guys. I just give up. This is the worst. I'm just asking for these people to NOT fucking condone or defend ACTUAL GODDAMNED CHILD MOLESTATION but I guess that's just too much.

old comment by Scratch

@True2God

Why can't you just go away?

Frankly, I don't know enough about the Duggar story to comment on it and that's not what I'm doing. I'm commenting on people like you. People who are, and I'm gonna type this in big letters so that you get,
DEFENDING
A
CHILD
MOLESTER
That is what you are doing, read your own posts and think for five seconds all together. This man hurt young girls in the worst way he could and you people, you people who claim to be good, who claim to be the best morally and spiritually, are defending him and slandering or attacking those who claim what he did is a bad thing.

Pray to your god that I never get a position of absolute power, because if I do, there will be a culling.

I am not a good man, but at least I admit. What's your excuse?

old comment by Anon-e-moose

I would trust a Christian counseling , (working with GOD), way over a secular counseling. (They don't seem to work all that great anyway.)

Well, considering what you said next...:

The Duggars have handled this very well

...I wouldn't trust fundie Christain counsellors: because one of the Buggars - Josh - handling another was the problem.

Besides, when one has committed a sin, one isn't allowed to commit any more: that's the whole point of forgiveness & 'Salvation' from sin After all: what did a certain man say to a woman he'd saved from a jufgemental stone-wielding mob after he'd forgiven her...?!

After Buggargate came Buggargate II: Electric Buggarloo: Ashley Madison. Then Buggargate III: Revenge of the Sin: paying a porn star for rough sex: when poor wifey was pregnant with their fourth child. And he promoting anti-LGBT policies.

Therefore what makes them think they have the right to be 'Left Alone'?

old comment by Swede

Does God charge by the hour or by the session?

What about the girls he molested? The Duggars made themselves a public spectacle.
If they wanted to get on with their life, they shouldn't have made a TV-show about themselves.

Is it Josh that has moved on very nicely, or the molested girls?

Abortion doesn't harm anyone sentient (i.e someone who can actually feel it).
Homosexuality and sex between consenting adults also harms no-one.
Sure, adultery can hurt the spouse, but it still shouldn't be illegal.
And, a fair few supposed "upstanding Christians" have dallied with adultery.

I'd consider 19 Children and Counting part of the "trash on TV"...

Did he make it up to the young girls in any way? Or are they not important to you; only he matters?
Is being a customer on websites like Ashley Madison, making a GOOD life?
No, the law was supposed to protect his victims.
If you're a public figure, you will not be protected from media trashing.

It's unfair for a victim to take it out on the perpetrator? How dense are you?
Who are they going to take it out on? Completely innocent people, like you do?

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