["Humans are actually artificially living much longer than we really should, biologically speaking. This is thanks to modern science and medicine. Left to our own natural devices we would rapidly see the average of death fall into the late 20s -early 30s."]
Psalm 90:10a
The days of our lives are seventy years;
And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,
I can show you at least 5 scriptures where we can add years to our life. None of them have anything to do with "modern" medicine.
According to JAMA doctors are the third leading cause of death. They do not deny this, but they ease their conscious by trying to claim that they keep people alive so they can kill them later on.
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"I can show you at least 5 scriptures where we can add years to our life. None of them have anything to do with 'modern' medicine."
Maybe that's because when your myth was written modren medicine didn't exist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, doctors bad, prayer good. Do us all a favor. From now on whenever you are sick, especially when you are seriously ill, do not go to a doctor, just heal yourself with prayer.
To be fair, glyptodon, he does provide a link: http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm
Though that page seems quacky to me, the JAMA report seems to be real.
Of course doctors do the best they can, they end up saving much more people than they kill, and anyway it is highly unlikely that "scriptures" could do better than them...
And re Papabear: earlier in the thread, answering to "Right, so let's just kill ourselves", John says:
"That is exactly what mankind is doing. Otherwise people would at least live to be at least 100 if not older. I killed myself with smoking, but they hooked some wires up to me and jumb started me and got me going again."
So it was not doctors but smoking that almost killed him, and it was not prayer but medicine that saved him. (I assume that the "hooking some wires up" is some kind of medicine, though I don't undersatand which). But he still says that doctors are the problem and prayer is the solution.
Actually, I would bet that there is a higher death rate among people who see doctors very frequently than among the general population!
And John, this is because sick people tend to die more often, AND tend to see doctors more often.
And DON'T INSULT R7s!
True - in 2002, motor vehicle accidents caused 44.3% of all accidental deaths in the US whereas firearms were only responsible for 0.8% of accidental deaths.
[Source: National Vital Statistics Report, Volume 50, Number 15 (September 2002)]
Moral to this story - let your teenagers borrow your assault weapons, not your SUV.
My late companion died of a reaction to one of her medicines at the age of 44. But without modern medicine, she most likely would have died within days of her birth at most; instead, medical advances made it possible for her to live and, for the most part, to have a life worth living. The fact that medicine couldn't extend her feeble body's life longer than this is not the fault of medicine; it was not a failure of medicine, but a testament to many repeated successes that just finally could not keep pace with the body's breakdown. She and her family, who are all Bible-thumping fundamentalist Christians, were all grateful for these modern medical advances and considered them "miracles" themselves (albeit with a small "m") for their accomplishments with her. I tend to agree.
~David D.G.
In most of Africa, the life expectancy is below 55. In some countries, particularly in the southern parts of the continent, the average age of death drops below 40.
The average age of death in 1900 was 47.
In first world countries, life expectancy is now between 70 to 80 years.
Obviously there are other things contributing to this, and I do realize that statistics aren't always 100% reliable, but modern medicine is definitely factoring in here. To say otherwise is just plain stupid.
Confused?
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