Quote# 69528

Where in the world did the idea come from that things left to themselves can improve with time? Who would start a crazy idea like that? This idea is the opposite of everything we observe in the world today. For instance, all the highways in our nation today left to themselves decay, deteriorate and fall apart. A house left to itself will become a wreck. It takes work and constant planning to make anything improve. Everything tends toward disorder.

Kent Hovind, Kent Hovind's Ph.D dissertation 77 Comments [1/14/2010 10:39:22 PM]
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Submitted By: Boy Wonder

Quote# 8423

we are in a Spiritual War with Secular Humanism and Atheism which isn't motivated by Love for anyone, and does truly lead all who embrace it to death. So don't be offended that we feel deeply and and passionately as we debate the evils these belief systems represent as they corrupt our young and lead the masses astray.


Unworthy Servant, Bibleforums.org 10 Comments [11/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8446

I do not understand why some Evolutionists are so passionate about the Theory of "Life Just Happening" for no reason or purpose. It there were just 3 to 10 species of living beings, this would better support their theory. However, millions of very distinct creatures with a unique ability to reproduce no matter how small, large, unusual let's us know that there is a Creator.

Mike Olcott, Tennessean Forum 5 Comments [11/30/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8450

['Panderichthys (380MYA) - earliest known fish with bone structure of ulna, radius, humerus in pectoral fins, and femur/tibia/fibula in the hindlimb. Originally classified as an amphibian, until complete skeletons were unearthed demonstrating an attached pectoral girdle, delicate vertebrae, and a long caudal fin. (Thompson American Scientist, 79(Nov/Dec 1991))

Acanthostega and Ichthyostega (363MYA) - Fish with 8 or 7 fingers on each pectoral and hind fin, respectivley (Coates and Clack, Nature, 352, July 18, 1991, p. 234-236). Four legs, internal gills, lungs, detached pectoral girdle, but weak ribs, delicate vertebrae, weak pelvic girdle, preoperculum, and abundant foramen throughout the skull indicating vascularization of the gills, indicating that they were still functional.']

And Panderichthys is a FISH! It has no limbs. It has fins. There has never been found a fossil of a "fishbian," if you will, which has partially developed limbs. Indeed, how could a partial limb have been an advantage but if no partial limbed "fishbian" ever existed, then the question of how could a fish change into an amphibian without intermediate stages. The problem is making sense of necessary evolution tales.

Tim Weatherly, Tennessean Forum 18 Comments [11/30/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8456

a bat's wing and the human arm have similar bone structures, but that doesn't mean we share an ancestor! you can think that if you want, but you have to leave science in order to do so.

Josh, Myspace 6 Comments [11/30/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 115337


First, men and women don't naturally have the same interests.
Then, if we have, and if both parties "click", they will want to grow into something more, romantically, sexually etc...

As a man, I become friends with other men by "default", but with women, it's because there's a problem : she has a boyfriend, she's too ugly, something is wrong in her personality etc...
If there's attraction mentally and physically, it's hard to pretend to be "friends" and to keep it that way.

Personally I don't have a lot of females friends, as it grows generally romantically. The women I'm friend with are mostly "women not attractive enough to grow romantic interest" or my exes.


And to remain "friend" with a woman I find attractive feels like to remain in a state of constant failure or being a loser. Men don't like that.
Even if I make an effort to remain "friend", the hypocrisy and bottled-up sexual attraction/seduction in not healthy at all.



@Antares
If your male friends are friend with you, it's because they are attracted to you already, to your personality at least. Some of them probably find you also physically attractive.

If you're still friend with some of them, its because
- you (or they) already have a partner,
- you don't find them (or they don't find you) attractive enough

Otherwise, it's hard to understand why a single male and single female attracted to each other, mentally and physically, wouldn't hook up (or try to).


This male-female friendship thing is very new, very Western, and very unrealistic. Friendship are supposed to be platonic, which is natural and easier with same-sex (heterosexual) people. If a male and a female are friend (therefore platonic), it logically means something is wrong in their mutual attraction.

Men, women can be friends, but should they?


All men like to have their "ugly" female friend they can talk to, without feeling the pressure to "conquer" or "seduce".

BlackLieutenant, INTJForums 12 Comments [12/17/2015 6:12:30 PM]
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Quote# 126129

I tell ya folks, nerds are one of the most dangerous groups in this country, because they're gonna end up running things, but they still hate everybody, because they weren't the jocks in high school, so they play little dirty games on everybody. [begins pointing to head] They use their brains to hurt people. And I'm aware of them. Ok, I'mma — I SEE YOU, YOU LITTLE RATS!

Alex Jones, Youtube 30 Comments [4/8/2017 5:04:53 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 106404

According to the website of a group that promotes faith in these Norse gods, these people are basing their beliefs on their ancient heritage and culture.* Yet the original Viking heritage involved raping, pillaging, and plundering others. Of course, these neopagans don’t want or promote a return to that. But it was the Christian influence that put an end to these actions! So why are they rejecting Christianity and bringing back part of their religious heritage but maintaining Christian—not Norse—principles of morality? Well, because these neopagans are being utterly inconsistent!

Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis 54 Comments [2/15/2015 4:36:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 127327

Modern culture is evil. If you don't agree with this, let me save you some time and suggest that you stop reading here. This post discusses alternatives to modern culture on the assumption that you reject modern culture because it is evil. What are the alternatives to modern culture? Before discussing alternatives that I think can work, I will discuss alternatives that don't work.

Politics doesn't work. Moral people are an insignificant minority in all nations today. And never in history has a nation been made moral through politics. Politics is useful in a society formed by moral people. In such a society, politics can help implement the will of these moral people. This is how America worked before it became evil. But in an evil society, politics is just a contest for power, nothing more.

Modern Christianity doesn't work. Modern Christianity is all faith and no works, which means no morality. The main practical difference between a modern Christian and an atheist is that the modern Christian violates the third commandment while the atheist doesn't, making the atheist slightly less sinful than the modern Christian. I discussed in detail what went wrong with modern Christianity in The Rise and Fall of Christian Culture.

Modern Catholicism doesn't work. To a large degree, what went wrong with Protestantism has infected Catholicism. The current Pope is a total disaster. But Catholicism was essentially doomed by the Second Vatican Council which fully gave in to modern culture.

White nationalism doesn't work. No racial movement in history has succeeded without religious backing. White nationalists who want success should copy the most successful racial movement, namely Judaism. This means that white nationalists need to pick a religion for their movement. Until they do so, they are a hopeless bunch.

That completes the important options that don't work. Now let's consider options that work. History shows that all good cultures are supported by a good religion. How can one judge if a religion is good and strong enough to resist modern culture? One superficial way to judge that I have found to be very effective is just to ask whether men and women sit separately during religious service. Religions that have maintained this separation have shown that they are strong enough to resist modern culture

Orthodox Judaism works well if you are a racist jew. I am jewish but not racist, so Judaism doesn't work for me. For non-jewish racists, Orthodox Judaism is a model well worth copying.

Orthodox Christianity may work in some conditions. Mainstream Orthodox Christianity does not work in the West because it is too weak of a religion to withstand modern culture. This can be seen by the fact that the sexes are mixed in service. Historically, Orthodox Christianity has always partnered with a government that supports it, so this seems to be the condition in which it works. Currently, the obvious candidate is Orthodox Christianity in Russia where it has government backing. I haven't been to Russia, so I can't say for sure how well this works, but I think this is an option well worth investigating for Christians.

True Orthodox Christianity is a variant of Orthodox Christianity that looks interesting and may actually work in the West. But it is small and its future is uncertain. Here is a very good set of videos explaining the idea.

Conservative Mennonism is an excellent alternative for Christians. All of traditional Anabaptism is sound, but the conservative Mennonites seem to have found the optimal balance. They don't reject all modern technology as Old Order Anabaptists do (like the Amish), but they still do a good job keeping modern culture out. They are serious Christians, serious about following Jesus's teachings. The book Brethren Thinking written by an unconventional Old Order Anabaptist provides a highly intelligent introduction to Anabaptist thinking. The book An Introduction to Old Order and Conservative Mennonite Groups provides a good overview of the Mennonite variants. I specifically recommend the Mennonite groups classified as "Ultra-Conservatives" on page 162 of this book. You can find a Mennonite church near you using this map. If you have any more questions about Mennonites, you can ask on this Mennonite forum.

Islam is an alternative worth investigating. While Islam has issues today, it has worked well in the past. And it still at least upholds basic moral traditions. I believe that Islam is the religion that is most likely to have a reformation and become the next successful culture. But to judge Islam for yourself, you should visit your local mosque and read the Quran.

Mikraite is the alternative that I have chosen. None of the above options work for me because I am not a jewish racist and not Christian. So I worked with some like-minded people to form a moral religion based on the Old Testament. You can read more in What is a Mikraite?.

fschmidt, Mikraite 22 Comments [5/20/2017 1:47:50 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 127020

Not sure where to submit this - it's a fundy fight between regular Nazi holocaust deniers and flat earth Nazi holocaust deniers


“Excalibur,”


here is a challenge for all the non believers, somebody give me a picture of the earth that is not CGI

just one


“Whiteliberty,”


Science is the acquisition of knowledge capable of being reproduced.



You can’t reproduce Big Bang. It’s not science.

With flat earth, there are multiple lines of evidence that point in the same direction.

Many globe claims have been power of suggestion, reliance on authority, and black box frauds. As a thesis, flat earth is stronger in 2017 than 2007.

You can’t land on a lightning bolt. You can’t land on the “sun” or “stars” or “planets,” if they are electromagnetic plasma formations. We don’t normally deal with plasma, or understand its properties, or understand the connection between plasma and consciousness, in terms of the concept, field.

Newton’s Third Law prohibits acceleration in space. You need a medium to move: floor, water, atmosphere. Space is not a medium. This would explain why NASA had to lie and fake a moon mission.


“SouthernFascist,”


Why not? They lie about the holocaust, they lie about the bible, they lie about every single war, they constantly change history, the pretend to be part of the European diaspora, they lie about the control their banks have, they shovel race mixing propaganda down our throats, so if any of this flat earth stiff has any merit at all, it wouldn’t be a surprise if the jews were lying about that too.

In all honesty i do believe the moon landings are fake. I don’t think we can even get to the moon, nasa even admitted we cant get past the van allen belt due to radiation, so i am 100% convinced the moon landings were faked, at least the first one.

But then we have . . .


“StormCommando,”


What are all the thousands of photos of stars, galaxies and planets and why would they go to such extreme lengths to create such a dumb conspiracy? And why would they invent all of these apparently totally fictional satellites and go into great detail about their workings, specifications, and spend time making these elaborate and unnecessary ‘props’ in lab environments? Again, utterly stupid idea.



various nazis of various sanity levels, wonkette 17 Comments [5/9/2017 4:01:33 PM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 8402

evolution would be a mindless bolder of chance and time rolling forward produsing 7 legged dogs with 3 heads and 300 pound spiders with fish fins and the chain from ape to man would still be very visible in our world.
you would have groups fighting for the rights of those who dont walk upright.
and their would be a randimity of all organisms ..no order at all just a bunch of multi celled water protoplasms that could for all practical porposes be called freaks.also their would not be a concern for beauty from a mindless rollercoaster of chance

turtle, Rapture Ready 14 Comments [11/25/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8398

You guys should really wake-up. You had a 150 years of Darwin to try to 'prove' that all life evolved. The further you got into investigating daddy Darwins idea the worse the evidence became. Now you're plugging in other theories like Gould's rescue attempts to save this theory that makes an abominable mockery of true science.

I don't know how far you may go to try get an intellegent creator out of the picture, but the further you push this charade the more apparent the evidence becomes of your lack of intellectual honesty. That is the greatest evidence that will be remebered as emerging in the 21 century, the evidence of the total lack of your intellectual integrity.

Edmond, Christian Forums 19 Comments [11/23/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 127315

I THINK THEY WERE THE USEFUL IDIOTS THAT VLADAMIR LENIN REFERRED TO IN THE EX SOVIET UNION WHO HAD NO PURPOSE BUT WERE A USEFUL TOOL FOR SOMEONE TO USE TO ACHIEVE WHATEVER GOAL SOMEONE WAS AFTER LIKE ALL THIS EQUAL RIGHTS CRAP AND GARBAGE CAUSE WE ARE NOT ALL EQUAL AND NOT BY A LONGSHOT, AND THERE ARE TO MANY EXAMPLE TO USE AND I AM NOT INTERESTED IN WRITING A BOOK ON THIS THREAD AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN..........................................................?

OBAMA HATER, Youtube 11 Comments [5/20/2017 1:46:54 AM]
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Quote# 127283

Parodyx:
(Homosexuality) is found throughout nature, therefore natural.

Oboehner:
Rape, murder, incest, cannibalism, torture, bestiality, etc. are all found in nature so according to you - natural.

Parodyx:
Here we go again, back to the same acts of abuse which homosexuality isn't. Is this a fun game for you?

Oboehner:
Here we go again using lame nonsense about gay being natural and running to hide when someone points out that your logic makes all the other things the occur in nature natural as well - by the exact same standard.

Parodyx:
The response to that is still the same response it has always been, the same response you've gotten from other people, the same response you will always hear from anyone halfway reasonable: CONSENT. Which, not coincidentally, is the word YOU unfailingly run hiding from- every single time.

Oboehner:
You stated if it happens in nature it's normal, you lying bro?

Parodyx:
I'll play your game. I stand by my statement. Now you get to explain to me why you think rape and torture are normal.

Oboehner:
My son and I recently witnessed 10-15 male ducks gang-raping a female (who repeatedly tried to get away). Have you ever seen a cat with a torturing a mouse, or heard the death scream of a rabbit caught in the talons of an owl? You also neglected to address cannibalism, incest, and pedophilia which also occur in nature so therefore according to you are all natural. Homosexuality is a state of being - being mentally/emotionally ill.

Parodyx:
None of those things is what any reasonable person would call torture (or incest or pedophilia). The animal kingdom has its own set of rules for what takes place. Cats eat mice. Owls eat rabbits. Since the medical world has no issue with homosexuality, I don't either. And your reason boils down simply to the superstition you were raised with.

Oboehner:
Now we are attempting to create different rules to justify you lame ridiculous statements?
Animals mate out of instinct, for example when a whitetail buck is in the rut, it will "breed" anything that resembles a doe (including each other). My wife's aunt one sent her a postcard depicting a buck doing a German Shepherd, so according to you bestiality is natural.
The honest medical world know homosexuality is a mental/emotional disorder. Nothing changed since the APA first put it on their list except political pressure.

Parodyx:
Bestiality is defined as a human being having sex with an animal. It's not defined as an animal having sex with another animal. The APA changed their stance because they got better data and it's only gotten better since then. I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can lobby a medical organization. Especially when you are a marginalized group with little to no power as it was with homosexuals in the 1970s, but I get that you need your confirmation bias provided by hate groups.

Oboehner:
Cross species is cross species no matter who does it. Then homo must be two humans and not two animals - so you lie again.
"The APA changed their stance because they got better data." Another lie, it was political period, no new data, just PC BS.
I can't really explain what's going on with anyone stupid enough to believe you can't lobby a medical organization with enough pressure.

Parodyx:
You can't. Science is science. How do you lobby something that is authoritative? That's your problem right there. You don't accept authority. So running away with your hands covering your ears means that you can pretend evolution doesn't occur and even consulting a dictionary to you is an "appeal to authority". It isn't an appeal if the source is iron-clad factual. This is your way of trying to level the playing field so that everything becomes "faith" when your own faith is ridiculed when it makes bigoted statements. Who's the troll now? Daresay it's you.
Speaking of authority and the dictionary, look up "bestiality" to see how your attempt to twist its meaning failed so horribly.

Oboehner:
"Science is science" What is that some kind of magic phrase to somehow prove anything?

"What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from
the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific
breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated
this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people
started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make
themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed.
And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle
would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their
entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and
forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally" - Behaviorism and Mental Health dot com



Oboehner, Christian News Network 17 Comments [5/19/2017 11:31:32 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 28593

The Libs care about the 4000 lost in Iraq or some Butterfly in a forest somewhere --- but don't give a rat's ass about the ~850,000 aborted babies lost every year.

TechieZer, Fark 54 Comments [8/30/2007 7:39:17 AM]
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Quote# 127288

I believe that as long as there is consent...[child porn] shouldn´t be labeled as a crime.

GUILLE832, DeviantArt 13 Comments [5/18/2017 11:08:32 PM]
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Franklin's Nightmare Award

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Quote# 127329

[Comment under "DISCUSS OUR NEXT STEPS HERE"]

put mods that are actually red pilled on the JQ, or at least support a temporary fascist state to restore the republic. The US is supposed to be a secular, constitutional republic built on traditional justice, natural rights, and natural law. Those that believe in "social justice" and argue solely using bulverism, reject the social compact created by the white European men that wrote our constitution. Any belief or ideology that works to undermine this social compact is evil no matter how well-intentioned. without legal recourse or traditional justice, how do we combat the evil that has subverted our nation?

AfroCen, Reddit - r/OperationPol 12 Comments [5/20/2017 3:36:15 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 127306

If you think (and you’d better) that your soul matters enough to Satan that he will bother to send you a tempter, just imagine the horde he dispatches to batter the president.

John Zmirak, The Stream 24 Comments [5/19/2017 11:34:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 8358

'[The Theory of Evolution stems from science.']

Only Darwinists believe this. The evidence says the Emperor has no clothes. The textual evidence of the Bible says Darwinian macroevolution beliefs are a penalty from God for denying Him Creator status. The penalty is corroborated by the fact that the ***reason for being*** evidence/intermediacy is entirely missing; IC is a scientific fact; fossil record shows zero signs of species transitioning. These are death blows in the eyes of any non-prejudicial observer. The fact that Darwinism thrives despite its nudity is explained by the penalty.

Herepton, EvC Forum 13 Comments [11/17/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8359

All of it [evidence for evolution] is based on present only observations, which they only assume without reason, and believe must apply to the future, and the past ad infinitum!

dad, 123 Christian Forums 9 Comments [11/17/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8365

If I were an atheist...

I'd live a life of debauchery and then commit suicide.

Orthodox_Freethinker, Internet Infidels 25 Comments [11/18/2005 12:00:00 AM]
Fundie Index: 6

Quote# 8327

Dont you all find it rather ironic that almost every sunday night you can find a new "super-disaster" movie on TV? I certainly do. Tonight, 11/13, is "Category 7 Storm" night, i remember over the summer i watched "Super-Earthquake" night and "Yellowstone Eruption" night. My mom(who, sadly to say, is not very religious, actually, she is not religious at all) enjoys these quite a bit, and i get to hear one every night while she watches it. I remember there was one where three storm systems collided over Chicago(my city...ouch) and produced some crazy effects.

Anyway, i think its almost mocking (perhaps satan is making these movies so people dont realize its all from the Bible) that these movies are being made at a time like this, but of course its ironic. Because in a way this is showing pieces of what is going to happen during the tribulation to all those alive today. I suppose that most people will not see these movies and pick up a Bible to read it concerning prophecy, but all these movies are showing the fulfillment of various prophecies regarding the Tribulation(although the prophecies arent' specific, and i do not have enough of a knowledge of the bible to give you verses). Anyway, i just thought i would mention the clear Irony in these movies and see if anyone else feels the same way or could put some scripture up to accent my post.

mocha, Rapture Ready 13 Comments [11/14/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 24915

Athiest: I can't see god, therefore he doesn't exist

Me to Athiest: I can't see your brain, therefore you don't have one.

bwfalme26, GameTalk.com 51 Comments [5/5/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 127186

Intellectual terrorism is a million times more dangerous than IEDs. Marx, Freud, Trotsky. "Equality" is the mainstay of intellectual terror.

nontolerantman, Twitter 46 Comments [5/16/2017 5:30:27 AM]
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Quote# 114010

[Let's keep it real. No one is under any illusions about a man being pulled from the street and brutally blowjobbed and plough in the anus by the fists of masked female rapists. That is definitely rape because OBVIOUSLY no consent was provided.

Now if he was in the bar, he was provided drink after drink by an inticing lady who slowly proceeded to allow him to willingly take the drinks and drink the alcohol and then suggest they go back to her place and then she proceeds to undress him while he's too drunk to resist or consent and have sex with him. Is that rape?]



The reason punishment is harsh, and that it is considered serious business, is because of the old definition - which is pretty much the violent, non-consensual stuff... and born of a time when marriage was sacrosanct.

The current definition includes any number of cases that are basically meaningless and in no way deserving of any particular punishment... like the case in question. Punishing the woman is more retardedness than justice. There is no real victim, and in the real world, the man would never charge her with rape (unless he's crazy and wants to be laughed at)... but it would still be legally defined as rape.

Which points to the basic fact that the law has become funky and far removed from the source that made if meaningful. Human systems have a tendency to become corrupt and perverted after a certain point (mostly because individual human intelligence is such a marginal thing).




[Naturally. Lack of ability to consent in your example above is rape.]


The problem is with the expanded use of the word "rape" with all its existing connotations, so that it is seen as something horrible that has happened to someone, for which we as a society want to exact vengeance on their behalf - as well as strongly deter anyone from engaging in such activities... Thus rapists spending years in jail and generally having their lives destroyed for all practical purposes by being registered as sex offenders and likely not being able to get decent jobs in the future, etc. etc... and everyone being fine with the amount of harm visited on these living incarnations of evil.

... Except obviously, this guy hasn't come to any harm that justifies horribly harming someone else, or declaring them an ungodly evil to be forever maligned and rejected by everyone, on his behalf.


Zsych, INTJ Forum 16 Comments [1/14/2016 3:47:29 PM]
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