Quote# 136366

(In regards to an article posted entitled "The Islamization of Oslo", replying to another member who said, in part, "Many of these stories I have found to be exaggerations. This one repeats itself a lot.")

Wow, anyone who has gone [to Sweden] or reads knows about it and written about it. Sweden is gone and has been for years. Read what Bruce Bauer says about it and this was years ago. All of Europe and Scandinavia has entire pockets taken over by Muslims...where sharia law is now the law and police and fire are endangered going into the area.

My friend and her husband went to France over the summer and were warned not to go to certain areas.

German women say they no longer feel safe...but it has been that way for a long time throughout.

Go look at some of the pictures on line...but I don't know if you will because you refuse to look at some sites so it is no wonder you didn't know about this...because MSM does not want to report this. Why? Because people then wouldn't want Muslims coming here.

Everywhere Muslims are and there are enough, they take over.

This is historical. They have done this since their existence.

If you look at pictures you see cars on fire, etc. they are raising hell and they are taking over more and more areas...multiplying like rabbits.


sharaleigh23, Realabortiondebate 7 Comments [2/5/2018 4:10:56 PM]
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Quote# 136031

Boys who are excessively "pretty", sickly, sensitive, non-athletic, youngest brothers, fatherless, or whose mothers are psychologically troubled are at greater risk. There is some evidence that adopted sons may be at-risk, perhaps because of separation anxiety or because the father may find it more difficult to bond with a non-biological child than the mother. "At-risk" does not mean that a homosexual outcome is inevitable, only that it is more likely than in a boy who shows none of these symptoms. The symptoms of an at-risk boy are:

1) Fear of rough and tumble play

2) Lack of same-sex playmates

3) Dislike of team sports

4) Doll play

5) Cross dressing or interest in women's clothes or shoes

6) Effeminate speech or mannerism

7) Playacting in which the boy takes a feminine part.

8) Frequent statements that he wants to be a girl or is a girl.

These symptoms usually appear between 2 and 8 and then in some cases fade away as the boy is pressured by peers. The fading away of the more external manifestations should not however be taken as a sign that the problem has resolved itself. Often it merely goes underground and emerges in adolescence as same-sex attraction.

When symptoms are observed, early intervention -- basically more father/male influence and less mother/female influence -- is usually effective, particularly if accompanied by counseling of child and parents. However, since these boys need male closeness, they are easily targeted by pedophiles and therefore need positive male relationships and extra support throughout childhood and adolescence.

A comprehensive review of the literature on how homosexuality develops in males leads to the conclusion that it is a cumulative process in which one trauma leads to another, Each trauma increases the chance that the boy will be retraumatized and each trauma intensifies the effect of the subsequent trauma. A boy who doesn't have a good relationship with his father, turns to his mother. This makes the relationship with his father worse. A boy who is over-identified with his mother and feels unloved by his father will find it difficult to relate to male peers. Teasing by peers intensifies feelings of alienation from his father and drives him to seek comfort from his mother. This child is particularly vulnerable to child molesters and likely to interpret the molestation as evidence that he is homosexual. And so on.

D. O'Leary, Fathers for Life 16 Comments [1/16/2018 3:15:26 PM]
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Quote# 136040

In this video, I analyze the song, "Let it Go", from the popular Disney movie, "Frozen". From my observations, this song has subliminal messages endorsing Occultism, especially Satanism and Witchcraft. Watch the video to learn more!

Bible Flock Box, Youtube 13 Comments [1/17/2018 3:34:55 AM]
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Submitted By: FSM

Quote# 136043

(=Revarding the sexual assault by Andy Savage=)

It's really important that we speak truthfully, without hyperbole, when discussing a situation like this. What he did was sinful. It was immoral and repugnant. It wasn't sexual assault and it wasn't illegal.

Why do you feel the need to exaggerate what was done in terms of man's law when it definitely broke God's law?

shawn.erpexp , Patheos 6 Comments [1/17/2018 3:35:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 136046

Our time of love has come

To begin with, consummation, or sexual union, is central to everything in this creation. Finding your mate is the single biggest drive in our lives. To bring forth after our kind is a profound desire embedded within us from birth. This is so because God Himself desires to bring forth after His kind.

God made our Bodies to function as vessels for His Holy Spirit. We are never truly alive unless we consummate our relationship with God, allowing His Holy Spirit to be in us. Without Him, we live far below how our heavenly Lover meant us to live. In fact, when we connect with God it is a revelation. Union with our bridegroom is like waking up from a dream to newness of life.

God wants His way with us.

Jesus said,

“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me”

John 17:21

The Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle of the wilderness is a place of intimacy and union. It is where man meets God and they both reveal themselves to each other. That is why those who come into God’s presence must be clean.

We were made for love

Yielding to God, for women, comes more naturally then it does for men. Our Father fashioned women to yield their most sensitive parts to their men and consummate their love. Therefore, when it comes to opening up and accepting God’s love women have a very real and powerful example to follow.

Most do not understand the level of intimacy God desires from them. His banner over us is love and His desire is towards us. The passion of God unites us in ways that we cannot yet imagine.

Natural consummation foreshadows spiritual consummation

The sexual relationship between a man and woman foreshadows Holy intimacy. When the two become one flesh through coupling this represents the type of oneness God wants to experience with His bride. Orgasm typifies the surrender and bliss of that union. Consummation unites each individual in a mystical/physical relationship that binds the two together.

Women naturally desire to yield their bodies to a man who loves them purely. Their hearts submit first through trust and respect and that naturally leads to taking the person of their love inside their most intimate parts. So too, we love God because He first loved us. We open up and allow Him to come inside our hearts and fill us with His Spirit.

God is our heavenly covering

Love begets union. As we fall deeply and passionately in love with another, close is never close enough. As a man covers a woman, she opens her body out of a desire to be filled by her lover, both experience oneness. This is an intimate picture of how God wishes to unite with us. God demonstrated this union through impregnating Mary. Jesus Christ, the son of God and Mary, is the perfect fusion of God and man. What Mary was to God in the flesh, God wants us to be to Him in the Spirit.

True submission is not subjugation

It is a relief and not a burden when a woman submits herself to true love. A woman, on her wedding night, willingly disrobes and stands before her lover naked and unashamed. In the wedding chamber a woman gives herself for the pleasure of her mate. Likewise, submission for true believers is not a burden but a joy. When we submit to God’s pleasure our burden is light and our yoke is easy. Our love causes us to open up and be filled by our lover’s Holy Spirit. We rejoice with joy unspeakable at His presence in us. We long for more of Him and want to do and be whatever He desires. The weight of His glory is our delight and not our burden. When the Holy Spirit covers us we feel protected, loved, and whole again.

His yoke is easy and His burden is light

As we cease from our own labors and just move as He moves all our cares and worries fade away. We are lost in His love as the Song of Solomon depicts. Becoming one with Him, we cease to be a separate person but submerge ourselves in everything that He wants us to be. We, as it were, take our place at His side once again to be near His heart.

Kissing towards God

Some have begun to experience these sensations during high praise in Spirit led worship. They make love to God through kissing towards Him in praise. God comes down and fills those who open up to His presence until there are no words to express the ecstasy of His love. People spontaneously break forth in tongues during their powerful union with Him. Their bodies, souls, and spirits are lost in the moment. They are filled with the Shekinah Gory as the fusion of God and man takes place. In mass, they cross over from this world into the next. The Body of Christ tastes of their inheritance in the world to come as God’s love transports them into heavenly realms.

We undress before God

Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. Many have a relationship with God but do not fully trust Him. People give part of themselves, but never let God have His way with them. As two lovers kiss in tender intimacy so we are to worship God. We give ourselves to Him in any way He desires. Just as in earthly marriage, the heavenly marriage bed is undefiled.

Moreover, part of walking in the Spirit is not to care what God does with us or through us. People’s natural minds tend to take over and modify what God wants. Consequently, it is our natural man’s reasoning that often keeps us from experiencing God’s love.

Intimacy is at our very core.

We are created to be intimate beings. Intimacy is at the center of who were are. It is literally how we are concieved. Just as a woman is shaped to receive a man in the natural, we possess a God shaped space in our hearts (Olam) that can only be properly filled with God Himself. The Holy of Holies speaks of complete intimacy, uncovering, surrender, and oneness. The only way we can approach that intimate place in God is through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. It is Christ’s shed blood that rent the veil, giving us access to the Holy of Holies. The Holy Spirit penetrates our very being, in the act of Divine Marriage.

God’s love changes us

Intimacy, as I said, comes down to trust. God trusts us, through Jesus Christ, with His most intimate parts. Our bridegroom penetrates us, breaking through our barriers, changing us forever. After we become one with God we are never the same again.

Connection to one another through His Spirit is how we make love to God. This means, actually, that most of what God wants to tell us is bound up in the typology of the act of love making. The marriage bed mirrors how God wants to be with us in the Spirit.

My Dove, My undefiled

Many act like virgins in the courts of Solomon while God wants an Abishag to be intimate with. This is the reason for spiritual connections and it is holy ground. Stand before God, as lovers do, naked and unashamed. We are created for consummation, i.e. to be filled with God.

Earthly marriage is a precursor to heavenly marriage with Jesus. We, as the bride of Christ, lay down on the marriage bed of heaven. With joy we open wide to receive our heavenly lover. Our desire is to be His desire.

The Bride writes,

“Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.”

Song of Solomon 1:4

Our hearts yearn to receive His passion. We want to be taken and ravished by His love, feeling the power of His Majesty in us. God designed our very bodies to picture heavenly consummation. Our ability to orgasm is a type of the heavenly oneness with the Spirit of God through Christ. In that explosion of surrender, we cry out to God in perfect abandonment. It is the consummation after the marriage supper of the Lamb that is the reason for life. The act of intercourse is a foretaste of things to come.

The Bride prostrates herself before God

Everyone kneels in God’s presence. Our vulnerability is born out of awestruck wonder. God’s love compels us to open our most intimate parts to Him for consummation of our heavenly marriage. The revelation song listed below is a picture of spiritual consummation with God. At the beginning it is low, slow, and intimate. Waves of joy and praise course over everyone as God descends and covers them. Passionate praise rises to the edge and then falls only to rise again. Finally, in holy passion there are no words to describe God in us! As they give themselves to God everyone breaks out into spontaneous praise in the Spirit!

This is the Body of Christ making love to their heavenly Bridegroom

SEO, The Final Feast 18 Comments [1/17/2018 3:59:27 AM]
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Quote# 136393

I started practicing Falun Dafa in 1998. Unlike many practitioners, I can see with my Celestial Eye and my supernatural abilities are not locked. I'd like to share the following personal experiences with my fellow practitioners. When I went to visit my cousin in December 1998, one of her neighbors was there trying to convince her to practice Falun Gong. I chatted with them about Buddhism and showed them how to sit in the lotus position. I borrowed several of her books. I was very excited to start reading Zhuan Falun, one of the five books I'd borrowed, when I got home. I read through lecture eight in one sitting. Then I saw strange images on the walls as if there was lightning everywhere. I was surrounded by lightning. My forehead and the top of the head seemed to be bulging. When I closed my eyes, I saw that the room was filled with red light.

Just then my mother woke up and told me to go to sleep. I laid down and had a very vivid dream. I saw a Buddha with a body of white jade flying toward me. Her legs were crossed and her hands were in the jieyin position. She looked at me and her mouth moved as if she was saying something. There were tears in her eyes. I looked at her as I lay in bed. I raised my hands toward her, trying to call her, but I couldn't make a sound. She saw me getting up and backed off, flew away, and disappeared. Then I heard my mother call me. She asked me what I was yelling about. I woke up and told her that I'd had a dream. The next day, my cousin's neighbor came to get her books, which I returned reluctantly. I went to the practice site the day after. That's how I started practicing Falun Dafa.

In less than ten days, Master cleansed my body. I saw many Faluns rotating around me. My Celestial Eye opened and I could see lives in other dimensions. I have also developed supernatural abilities. If I wanted to do something, I only needed to think about it, and it would happen. I saw my Immortal Infant grow to two feet high. I could also see my past lives. In one past life, I was an abbot in a monastery.

I have experienced six big tribulations that could have taken my life if Master had not protected me. The first time was about two weeks after I started practicing Falun Dafa. One day I was asked to help a neighbor harvest corn. My job was to put the kernels into big gunny sacks next to a thresher. As I bent over to shove the kernels into a sack, I heard a noise like metal banging on metal. I felt the belt of the threshing machine scrape my head. Then I heard people calling my name. As I stood up, I saw a big Falun rotating where my head had been, then it flew away. Someone quickly stopped the thresher and people surrounded me. “You are so lucky. If your hair got pulled in, it would have pulled your scalp off,” one of them said. As it turned out, a steel pin that held the moving belt had hit my head. That was the noise I'd heard. I knew Master had saved my life.

In 2003, I went to Changchun to work at a candy factory. One day I was hit by a car while crossing the street. I flew into the air and landed on my head. The car stopped about 20 meters away. The bystanders yelled, “Car accident! Someone is dead!” I slowly got up and picked up my shoes. I didn't let the driver take me to the hospital or extort money from him as the bystanders suggested I do. However, I felt tired in the following days and always wanted to sleep. One night as I was doing the second exercise at home, I felt a big hand holding my head and another hand tickling my nose with a feather. A voice next to me said, “Do not worry about anything when you are doing the exercise.” I kept my eyes closed and continued with the exercise. Suddenly, I felt my whole body vibrate briefly. I was surrounded by a wave of heat that rotated around my body. Then I felt hot air blowing into my face, and I couldn't help but sneeze. I told myself not to move.

I felt liquid dripping from my nose, then one blob after another. By the time I finished the exercise, my shirt was covered with blood and blood clots. There was blood on the floor as well. But my head was very clear, and I no longer felt tired or sleepy. I suspect I had internal bleeding in my head from the car accident, but Master helped clean it up. After that incident, my gong increased even more. I had more powerful supernatural abilities. I reached beyond-triple-world Fa. I even saw a small child come out of my nose.

I value Falun Dafa books more than my life. I have all of the Dafa books and articles Master has written, as well as other materials from the Minghui website. One time, a neighbor came to visit and saw me reading one of the books. He saw that I kept my books, tape player, and exercise tapes in a red cardboard box. I had a bad feeling after he left. I took everything out of the box and put some turnips in it. A little while later, the police came with my neighbor and ordered me to hand over my Dafa books. I took out the box to show them. Of course, they couldn't find anything.

Another time, the police searched my home looking for truth-clarifying materials. I put the books in my father's room, the only room they did not search. I had a feeling they would be back, so I put the books in a sack that they had already searched. The police did come back the next day and went straight to my father's room. When they couldn't find anything, they came out and saw the sack with my books in it. I held the sack up and said, “You searched this yesterday. If you don't believe me, I will show you again.” One officer said, “No need.”

As soon as the police left, I took the books to my sister's home for safekeeping. After I left, my sister said, “I'll just give the police two books so that they won't bother us again.” My mother tried to stop her, but she wouldn't listen. She took out two books. As she started to leave with them, she felt someone push her from behind and she fell down. She ran back and told my mother, “These books really are Buddhist scriptures.”

Another time, my sister burned some of Master's new articles, about 20 pages worth. But the next day, she saw the pages in the ashes, not even scorched. She was shocked. She told me that she and her husband had burned them the night before. They both saw the pages go up in flames. After the persecution began, I started distributing informational materials like other practitioners. While using my supernatural abilities so that the police cannot see me, I often spend the whole night covering a thousand homes. From one village to the next, it only takes me a short time to get there even though they are far apart. The next day, I don't feel tired at all. Sometimes when I don't eat for three days, I can still work as usual.

One night, several of us went out to distribute Falun Dafa materials. We got separated. I turned around and saw one practitioner in front of a house, but she appeared so small, like the Lilliputians in Gulliver's Travels. I could have held her in my hand. I called her name. When she heard it, she immediately became the same size as before. Another time I was followed by a police car. I used my supernatural ability to outrun the car and hid in a cornfield. When the police got out of the car, they could not see me.

Unknown author, Minghui 4 Comments [2/5/2018 4:16:13 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 136057

Trannies are mentally ill freaks who need to be thrown in asylums. Ever since we let fags marry, our people have been brainwashed.

Thanks to kikes and and liberals our people are being polluted. Little kids shoved into a life style they don't want. Our men emasculated. We are committing cultural genocide.

Lord_Henry_James2, Reddit - r/FuckTrannyFags 8 Comments [1/17/2018 12:13:32 PM]
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Quote# 136062

[Comments under "Question on Texas Regulars"]

My question is prompted by a comment from ArmedAg on the 'Same Sex Marriage' thread.

If they (Texas Regulars) were in charge, the USA would not be on the path of self-destruction.

Does anyone actually believe this?

For those that don't know, this was a party that garnered approx. 11% of the Texas vote in '44. They also ran on a platform of 'restoring the supremacy of the white race'.

Any references to lynching in your little link? Nope.

Yeah, it's such a stretch that a white supremist group would engage in lynching.

Any reference to striping people of liberty, nope.

By 'restoring white supremacy', they would be placing one race above another. Liberty would undoubtedly be stripped of those not of the privaleged race.

Them boys were just proud to be white. Nothing wrong with that is there Gigem?

Yes, when they are placing their race as supreme to others as their primary platform position.

Kinda like LULAC, NAACP, Congressional Black Carcass, etc. Any organizations like that for whites? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I don't support those groups.

If those guys were fiscally conservative and running today, I'd sure as hell vote for them.

WOW! YOu would vote for a white supremist organization?

From ArmedAg94:

Them boys were just proud to be white. Nothing wrong with that is there Gigem? Kinda like LULAC, NAACP, Congressional Black Carcass, etc. Any organizations like that for whites? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Why is that Gigem? Racism against whites Gigem?

Libs, put your emotions aside and think about my point.

ArmedAg94, TexAgs 8 Comments [1/17/2018 2:53:20 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 136063

Can a Christian have a demon?


Because half of the people being called a 'Christian' nowadays aren't one anyway! A lot of them are sinners who occasionally quote the Bible, post Christian-themed memes on social media and who attend church. But when you check their lives there's no resemblance at all to genuine New Testament Christianity.

If you are doing un-Christian things, you can be taken over by demons and evil spirits. It's really just that simple.

My goal is to make true believers completely demon-proof. But in order for that to happen you have to give up sin. And brush up on your knowledge of the Bible. Too many Christians are content to have a surface level knowledge of scripture.

But surface level Christianity only gets you surface level results.

Go deeper. Dive all the way into the things of God. My ebooks will help you do this. They're written and designed to take you into deeper levels of your Christian spirituality to empower you to live a more impactful practical life.

Spirituality without practicality is futility.

Enough with the surface stuff. That's why the devil keeps kicking your butt! Learn how to kick back and win. Download a copy of Hedonism: Destroying Demonic Sexual Strongholds. Be a Christian wuss no more. Break free and become a Christian warrior instead. See comment section for link and details.

Mack Major, Facebook 22 Comments [1/17/2018 2:53:27 PM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 35589

Show me the evidence, I do not need 211,390 articles, all I need is one undoctored real life video showing one kind of animal changing into another. Or giving birth to another, like a human giving birth to a lizard or bird .... wow, with al those articles if evolution is true, surely one of those "MEDICAL" doctors witnessed a human giving birth to some other creature?

Christian, askville 102 Comments [2/28/2008 7:43:20 PM]
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Quote# 35610

Actually, it takes very little "qualification in the sciences" to totally refute naturalistic macro-evolution. The process has never once been observed to occur in recorded human history, it breaks numerous "laws" of nature, and it is essentially based on circular reasoning and irrational conclusions. Indeed, it requires more "faith" to believe in evolution than any other theory of origins! Why shouldn't evangelical apologists be qualified to argue against it?

drmark, FaithCommunityNetwork 7 Comments [2/29/2008 2:11:19 PM]
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Submitted By: Drekoguk

Quote# 35612

[those talkjesusians are under-represented on fstdt]

Have yall ever experience when your dog bark at a wall? That a sign that there a demon and I know someome who had that problem there beacuse the would bark all night so she had a prayer meeting and that she found out that there a demon in her house so she had a prayer meeting and then the dog dose not bark at the wall no and animals can be effected by demons also I know Psalm 91 is a promise word like if I read it could scared demons away

styeld4christ, talkjesus 15 Comments [2/29/2008 3:23:14 AM]
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Submitted By: blayz

Quote# 35602

the big bang is not real

God created the earth

think about it... if the earth was an inch closer to the sun, we would burn

if it was an inch further we would freeze

the fact that scientists think that the earth broke off from an asteroid or watever and just happened to be pulled in by the sun's gravitational pull in the perfect place is ludacris

Paige R, Yahoo! Answers 40 Comments [2/29/2008 3:25:57 AM]
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Submitted By: Mike

Quote# 35614

Yoga is basically Hindu- eastern meditation form of demon worship. The New Testament is chock full of warnings from Paul, Peter and Jude about the Apostasy and falling away from the faith in the end times. As a parent, you need to inform yourself about what is happening rampantly today in the church, just as carefully as you would be diligent to keep poison out of the reach of your children. Spiritual poison has contaminated the Christian church , and it is happening at jet speed.

A Berean, Rapture Ready 3 Comments [2/29/2008 6:27:48 PM]
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Submitted By: Tini

Quote# 136415

Sermon 22: God is Not the Author of Confusion

By The Rev. William H. Grimes

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

So, with all of this mass media these days, we have a problem. Boys who identify themselves as girls are able to ogle at the girls in the girls' shower in high school. Imagine how the movie "Porky's" would've went if this modern wicked sinful gender ideology was around back then. McDonald's is pumping kids full of growth hormones and this is why there's all of this rampant adolescent perversion! Victoria's Secret outlets are all around this nation, and these barely clothed women are there for kids to see! Yet we wonder why these kids these days don't know what's going on!

If it wasn't for adults meddling into the kids' affairs, they would know with absolute certainty whether they are a boy or a girl. It's quite, simple really! They would know that two mommies and two daddies doesn't make sense because it is unnatural! It is as universal as gravity! You throw a ball, and the ball hits the ground! Real, natural science!

Liberals like to claim that they are true believers in science! Yet they believe in pseudoscientific nonsense like Darwinism, Transgenderism, Veganism, Vegetarianism, Homosexuality, Moral Relativism, and Abortion! THESE ARE ALL STRAIGHT FROM THE PIT OF HELL FROM THE WICKED SATAN! SAY AMEN IN THE HOUSE OF THE LIVING GOD! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Rev. William H. Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 21 Comments [2/4/2018 1:34:24 AM]
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Quote# 136084

Yer Nigel is a WiMPfa
Whereas the majority of “white” women (i.e. lemmings) are pretty darn happy sucking cock, pretending to like having a dick in them, making 70% of what their faggot earns for the same work, making new dickwads to inflict on the world, and being house niggers — a minority of us are disgusted with “white” male pussy faggots (WiMPFas) and what they’ve done to the world.

Since we were slaves for far longer than any other group, non-lemming White women can expect to pass from this world without ever having had a chance to rule. We, the most intelligent, most creative, least aggressive beings on the planet are now beneath not only the WiMPFas, but all the low-IQ critters that he — in his eternal faggotry and jealousy of his Creators — has placed above us. We get to watch this abysmal sideshow while the WiMPFas and his lemming whores continue forcing more White girls onto this hellhole.

He is a total lemming — an autistic faggot driven by hormones and emotions. This is his “history.” This is what makes his 1.5 ounces of flesh hard.

Marina Orwell, Orwell's Daughter 15 Comments [1/17/2018 11:47:13 PM]
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Quote# 136378

Kennedy, Fisher and Bigtree: a triple dose of anti-vaccine injected into upcoming chiropractic conference
Even as the flu rages, chiropractors will be stoking their anti-vaccination ideology at a March conference with speeches from anti-vaxx Illuminati Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Barbara Loe Fisher and Del Bigtree.

Even as the flu season, with its consequent hospitalizations and deaths, rages on, chiropractors are outdoing themselves in promoting anti-vaccine ideology at this year’s “Freedom for Family Wellness 2018 Summit Washington, D.C.” (but actually in Reston, VA), scheduled for March. While in previous years so-called “chiropractic pediatrics” conferences have invited anti-vaccine hucksters like the disgraced and defrocked former British physician Andrew Wakefield and Barbara Loe Fisher, founder of the National Vaccine [Mis]Information Center, this year will feature not only Fisher, but also “Ranting Robert” F. Kennedy, Jr., fresh from his disappointment in not being named head of a proposed, but never realized, vaccine safety commission by fellow anti-vaxxer, President Trump, and Del Bigtree, producer of the widely discredited “documentary,” VAXXED. Attendees will get 24 hours of chiropractic continuing education credit in 37 states (so far), as well as D.C. and British Columbia.

The Summit is hosted by the International Chiropractic Pediatrics Association (ICPA), which promotes straight subluxation-based chiropractic treatment for pregnant women, infants and children. Well, actually, for anyone with a pulse, but that’s who they concentrate on. Its 2014 conference headliners were Fisher and Wakefield.

“Chiropractic pediatrics”

Before we get to the upcoming conference, let’s review the field of “chiropractic pediatrics,” its affinity for pseudoscience and hostility to vaccination. The ICPA is just one of three chiropractic pediatric groups, all of which support anti-vaccination ideology and promote chiropractic diagnosis and treatment of infants and children for both musculoskeletal and non-musculoskeletal conditions, including:

otitis media, asthma, allergies, infantile colic, . . . enuresis, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, myasthenia gravis, ADHD, and Tourette syndrome. For the most part, treatment for all of these conditions is based upon detection and correction of vertebral subluxations, . . . [even though] there is no scientific basis for the contention of chiropractors that subluxation correction will restore or maintain health or that such subluxations even exist.

In addition, pediatric chiropractors promote “wellness care” for children, advising that children should visit a chiropractor 6 to 12 times a year to be checked for phantom subluxations.

Another pediatric chiropractic group, the International Chiropractic Association’s (ICA) Council on Chiropractic Pediatrics, featured Wakefield at its 2016 conference, as well as a showing of VAXXED. In 2017, the ICA Council on Chiropractic Pediatrics conference participants were shown portions of the film Vaccines Revealed, essentially a parade of well-known and thoroughly debunked anti-vaccinationists, in some cases being interviewed by other anti-vaccinationists, produced by someone whose past work has promoted anti-vaccination views, who also spoke at the conference.

Chiropractic education in pediatrics consists of one 22-hour pre-clinical course in “pediatric topics” and chiropractors can graduate without ever having seen an actual pediatric patient in clinical training, which chiropractors themselves admit is inadequate. The ICA’s post-graduate courses (they don’t do residencies) which allow one to call oneself a “Diplomate” in chiropractic pediatrics, consist of less than 400 hours of classroom training in a series of weekend courses, sometimes in airport hotel conference rooms, with no hospital training and no contact with diseased or injured children. The ICA’s recommended books on vaccination contain plenty of anti-vaccination propaganda.

The third chiropractic pediatrics group, the American Chiropractic Association’s Council on Chiropractic Pediatrics promotes “the acceptance and advancement of pediatric chiropractic care.” Although it does not have its own training program, four out of five Council Board members are ICA “diplomates” in pediatric chiropractic, one Board member describing the program as a “3-year post-graduate course of study,” conveniently leaving out the part about the weekend courses and lack of clinical training.

The ICPA offers its own certification (200 hours) and diplomate programs (an additional 200 hours), under the auspices of the Academy of Chiropractic Pediatric Practice and is “endorsed and certified” by an organization called the Academy of Chiropractic Family Practice. Like the ICA, the ICPA teaches its courses in hotel conference rooms.

The ICPA also sponsors a certification in the Webster Technique, which is based on the biologically implausible and unproven notion that a chiropractic “adjustment” will “reduce the effects of sacral subluxation/SI joint dysfunction” facilitating “neuro-biomechanical function of the pelvis,” supposedly leading to an easier birth, even to the point of turning a breech baby (all the while denying that this is what they are claiming).

Chiropractic anti-vaccination ideology is not limited to chiropractic pediatrics. It is long-standing, firmly entrenched in chiropractic philosophy, and well-documented in the medical literature.

Anti-vaccination attitudes still abound within the chiropractic profession. Despite a growing body of evidence about the safety and efficacy of vaccination, many chiropractors do not believe in vaccination, will not recommend it to their patients, and place emphasis on risk rather than benefit.

One study found a correlation between seeing a chiropractor or a naturopath and lack of flu vaccination in pediatric patients. Another study found that children who saw chiropractors were significantly less likely to receive each of three CDC-recommended vaccinations. Yet another found that student anti-vaccination attitudes actually increased in the later years of chiropractic and naturopathic programs. Anti-vaccination attitudes among chiropractors have been documented by the mainstream media as well (also here and here).

It is thus that Kennedy, Fisher, and Bigtree find their ideal audience: a group preconditioned to uncritically accept their anti-vaccination message, impervious to science and evidence, yet perfectly positioned to spread their misinformation to patients and parents via their unlimited license to diagnose and treat any person of any age with virtually any disease or condition, thanks to state chiropractic licensing laws, aided by a closed loop, chiropractor-controlled system of education and regulation.

The “Summit”

Long-time anti-vaxxer Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who will be delivering the keynote at one evening session of the “Summit,” is no stranger to regular SBM readers. His crackpot ideas about vaccines, lies and conspiracy mongering have been the subject of numerous SBM posts. Kennedy continues to flog the debunked connection between thimerosal and brain disorders, including autism, long after thimerosal was, as a precaution, removed from pediatric vaccines and remains a trace ingredient only in some flu vaccines. Assisted by another person honored with an SBM post this very week, Mark Hyman, MD, he wrote a book promoting his discredited ideas. Our good friend Orac has extensively covered Kennedy as well. Among Kennedy’s anti-vaxx escapades:

* His article “Deadly Immunity,” an “anti-vax hit piece,” was riddled with so many errors that it was ultimately pulled from Salon’s archive.
* Calling CDC officials “criminals” because they area “poisoning kids” in an interview with fellow anti-vaccine crank Boyd Haley.
* Saying he’d like to see pediatric infectious disease physician and co-inventor of a childhood vaccine that saves thousands of lives, Paul Offit, MD, behind bars.
* Analogizing the CDC whistleblower manufactroversy to the Tuskegee syphilis experiment on black men, an analogy he dredged up again in describing a California bill (which has since become law) tightening vaccine exemption requirements, all the while cozying up to the racist and anti-Semitic Nation of Islam.

Well, you get the idea. But in case you don’t, Laura Helmeth nicely summarized Kennedy in Slate:

The short version of the vaccine conspiracy theory (if you are stuck on the phone with RFK Jr., you will be subjected to the long version) is that a vaccine preservative called thimerosal causes autism when injected into children. Government epidemiologists and other scientists, conspiring with the vaccine industry, have covered up data and lied about vaccine ingredients to hide this fact. Journalists are dupes of this powerful cabal that is intentionally poisoning children.

You’ve met Barbara Loe Fisher here on SBM too. In the heyday of the media’s penchant for reporting “both sides” of the vaccination manufactroversy, Fisher was the go-to gal for reliable fear-mongering about vaccines. She was, after all, a founder of the NVIC (a sponsor of the “Summit”), a source of vaccine “information” that claims to be neither for nor against vaccination, only for “safe” vaccinations and informed consent. Fisher’s talk is titled “Your Right to be Informed, Your Freedom to Choose.” By continuously moving the goalposts, the NVIC ensures that vaccination is never safe and that there is always a fresh supply of misinformation with which to scare parents from choosing vaccination for their child by exercising their (not the child’s) freedom to exempt the child from school vaccination requirements by claiming their (again, not the child’s) religious or philosophical opposition.

Fisher remains unrepentant after being excoriated by investigative journalist Seth Mnookin in his excellent book The Panic Virus (2011). Here’s how Mnookin described Fisher’s talk at a 2009 Autism One conference:

Barbara Loe Fisher, the grande dame of the American anti-vaccine movement, explained how vaccines are a “de facto selection of the genetically vulnerable for sacrifice” and said that doctors who administer vaccines are the moral equivalent of “the doctors at Nuremberg.” (That parallel, she said, had been pointed out to her by Andrew Wakefield . . .)

Finally, Del Bigtree will speak on “Finding our Freedom,” freedom apparently being a code word at the “Freedom for Family Wellness 2018 Summit” for “refusing vaccination based on bad science and debunked conspiracies.” Bigtree was recruited by Andrew Wakefield to make the “documentary” VAXXED, a film version of the anti-vaccination movement’s talking points, delivered by an all-star team of dedicated anti-vaccinationists. He then shamelessly fed on the African-American community’s understandable mistrust of medicine to promote it. Fortunately, the movie seems to have impressed no one outside of the anti-vaxx echo chamber. It was widely panned as propaganda, “fraudulent,” presenting facts out of context, “closer to a horror film than a documentary,” “paranoid,” and a “desperate attempt to hoodwink the public for no greater purpose than making money.”

As if that weren’t enough propaganda, Andrea Marconi, a chiropractor and the NVIC’s Director of Professional Resources, and Theresa Wrangham, the NVIC’s Executive Director, are giving a talk on “Efffective Vaccine Informed Consent Advocacy.” Marconi’s NVIC bio makes it clear that pediatric chiropractors are expected to be advocates for vaccine refusal:

she has the honor of working with the Chiropractic profession as well as other groups to educate and support doctors who are speaking with their patients and communities about protecting the legal right to exercise religious and conscientious belief vaccine exemptions to go to school, be employed and otherwise participate in society.

And chiropractors are stepping up to the plate, as a recent CBC investigation revealed, discouraging vaccination as well as other evidence-based care.

Apparently, one of the “other groups” chiropractors are working with are midwives, with whom they are promoting “collaboration” as the ideal pregnancy-perinatal team. While the science-based training of Certified Nurse Midwives might make them resistant to chiropractic pediatrics and its attendant anti-vaccination ideology, direct-entry midwives and naturopath-midwives, who lack medical training and come equipped with their own anti-vaccination proclivities, will be a softer target.

So, besides “wellness” through chiropractic “adjustments,” what do pediatric chiropractors recommend to ward off vaccine-preventable diseases? Another speaker provides a clue: Cilla Whatcott, a homeopath who holds a Ph.D. from the Kingdom College of Natural Health, will be giving a talk on “Real Immunity and Homeoprophylaxis.” According to Whatcott’s website:

The goal of [homeoprophylaxis] is to introduce into the human system safe, homeopathic versions of particular diseases in order to naturally stimulate the immune system. As a result, susceptibility to targeted diseases can be reduced. . . protecting your children from infectious contagious disease.

This is dangerous nonsense, as explained by SBM’s own infectious disease expert, Mark Crislip, MD. Whatcott is disciple of Issac Golden, an Australian homeopath whose ideas are rejected not only by responsible medical authorities but other homeopaths as well.

It is sadly ironic that, even as state health departments and the federal Centers for Disease Control fight the worst flu season in a decade, it is the state and federal governments who create the conditions for this perfect storm of dangerous pseudoscience and conspiracy-theory crankery that will discourage people from getting vaccinated. State licensing laws and chiropractic self-regulation (remember, 24 hours of CE credit!) along with federal Department of Education approval of chiropractic school self-accreditation, allow poorly educated and trained health care practitioners to provide substandard care to a vulnerable population

Quacks and antivaxxers, Science-Based Medicine 4 Comments [2/5/2018 4:13:53 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 135995

(On Chelsea Manning running for Senate)

That's the problem. There's a surplus of non rational human beings in the country now days that will vote for this fool. This person is not only mentally ill but should be behind bars for his/her/it's treasonous acts.

Enuf Already, Disqus - News Network 17 Comments [1/18/2018 12:11:35 PM]
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Quote# 135996

(On Chelsea Manning running for Senate)

(Robin Egg)
That picture is the creepiest thing I have ever seen. It said "we" are running. Does that include all of his multiple personalities? A treasonous man who would have been executed if this had happened decades ago, goes to prison, demands that the taxpayers pay for him to have his body mutilated, gets pardoned by our treasonous president, wears dresses and makeup and is now running for senate!!!! I just wore myself out thinking about this! It can't get any crazier!

(Publius V. Publicola)
lol... " his multiple personalities?" -- I was thinking the same thing... very bizarre... When people start running for office based on their "sexuality" -- it isn't going to end well.

Robin Egg and Publius V. Publicola, Disqus - News Network 10 Comments [1/18/2018 12:11:51 PM]
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Quote# 136101

Homosexuals lack self control, which tends to make them prone to violent outbursts.

Lack of self control, mental instability, self destructive behavior, and a propensity to lash out at anything questioning their state, has psychopathic written all over it.

factoryrat, Free Republic 13 Comments [1/18/2018 3:05:09 PM]
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Quote# 136015

Thus, the order that the rational reactionary seeks to preserve and/or restore is arbitrary. Perhaps it can be justified on some moral basis. But probably not. It is good simply because it is order, and the alternative to order is violence at worst and politics at best. If the Bourbons do not rule France, someone will - Robespierre, or Napoleon, or Corner Man.

Mencius Moldbug, Unqualified Reservations 8 Comments [1/16/2018 12:13:05 AM]
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Quote# 136108

2018 will see the exhibition of the original stone tablets of the Ten Commandments.

Kept hidden since the time they were given on Mt Sinai, especially for this time.

Now we understand the current gravitas.

Satan’s full blown attack on the Ten Commandments is the 666 microchip which is his replacement for the laws of God and this is why God has reserved them for this time as tangible proof, along with a video of them being removed from the Ark of the Covenant.

The whole world will be shown the truth of the Bible in spectacularly simple fashion and they will be given the choice of Gods Commandments over that of the devil.

Choose life.

Open Air, Real Jew News 19 Comments [1/18/2018 11:41:58 PM]
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Quote# 136447

So I could use advice. A lot, actually.

An adult provided sexually explicit material to my underage daughter.
(None of it is “hardcore”, and in our day and age it would not be considered “pornographic.”)

I was not given the opportunity to “opt out” from this sexual education provided in a school setting which is a violation of my rights. (Indiana State Law.)

My daughter’s emotional and physical well-being has been damaged by this experience. I suppose they would argue it is because I have raised her with an unrealistic moral code which leads to guilt, but hopefully everyone here knows that is not true because she has also been raised in grace through the Sacraments and so she has access to the strength of the Savior in fighting the battle for purity. But good luck explaining THAT in a secular environment. Maybe it will be relevant to them that SHE desired to be chaste and an adult violated that against her will.

I don’t know what to focus on.

I don’t know how far I can take this. I would be willing to press charges if it would do good for parental rights to protecting their children. I do NOT want to do harm, for example if it went to that and I lost and it set a legal precedent for the schools to have those rights over parents.

I don’t know what I should be asking them to do in response. They allow me to request another book for my daughter. What about the other kids? What about the fact that it has happened twice and I was not informed?

I don’t know if it would be helpful to inform the other parents. My heart says I should print out the objectionable passages, and send them with a letter to the parents to tell them what the children have been exposed to so that they can talk to their children about it and help them with it. I don’t know if that would be helpful or just cause a problem to no avail.

I don’t know if there are laws that have been violated. (Other than the ones my soul is very adamantly certain have been!)

I was hoping someone with experience or knowledge about this could advise me.

Or even that someone could direct me to any resources that might help.

I have found articles that associate viewing sexually explicit materials with a lower age of first sexual encounter, a higher number of partners, and decreased sexual satisfaction from encounters. (The last of which may be the only concern this teacher might hear.)

I am looking for credible journal articles on the effect of exposure to these things at a young age and the consequence for children who have this type of experience.

Anything at all would help.

Most especially, please pray for me and for my daughter. My name is Theresa. Her name is Mary. Please ask your prayer chains to lift us up, anyone you can. The more the better. I feel that this has potential to have a big impact on protecting intellectual innocence. Or the fact that I feel like this is so important indicates a self-centered inflated view of my own issues, in which case I still need those prayers!

Thank you for any and all help, advice, and prayers.

Teek, Catholic Answers  24 Comments [2/5/2018 9:49:12 AM]
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Quote# 136114

And I never said there was a Constitutional right to discriminate.
Which is EXACTLY what the gay couple did.

The Bakery didn't refuse to sell to them. They were long time customers, which you dishonestly ignore.

The Bakery owners had sincerely held religious beliefs, beliefs that have existed for thousands of years. That gay couple had no right attacking the bakery owners for their sincerely held religious beliefs. All they had to do was to go down the street to another bakery.

So yea, the gays had no constitutional right to discriminate against the Christian bakery.


My statements stand.

The fact that Christians abolished slavery is very relevant. Give credit where credit is due and tell the truth. THat's pretty relevant, wouldn't you say? Christians were the ONLY ones that did NOT perpetuate slavery since they were the ones that abolished it. A little common sense here please! wow.

ALL THESE CASES (referring to a list of Supreme Court cases that said marriage is a fundamental right) defended TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE, which is EXTREMELY RELEVANT. Traditional marriage IS by definition, marriage between a man and a woman. AND the very foundation that civilization depends upon for it's existence.

Gay marriage is NOT traditional marriage. So they have no right to discriminate against, attack, or try to force change on an institution that already exists.

Like I said, they can find their own "institutions." Don't discriminate against Christian institutions or traditional ones.

klyneal, Christian News Network 28 Comments [1/18/2018 11:49:53 PM]
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Quote# 136437

(Reactions to James Delingpole's article)

This illustrates one of the core problems with liberals of all stripes. They have no limits on their unhinged desire to control everybody and everything around them.

(aka Randy Yonkers)
The left is driven by toxic emotions.
They thrive on the control they get from making themselves and everyone around them miserable. They label destruction and misery "Progress". They manufacture pain and rage and sell it for profit, by taxing a guilted public and forcing them to pay for the "cure".

(Eskel Gorov)
The entire concept of "AGW" is preposterous. Even if there were an AGW "consensus" (which there categorically is not), it's irrelevant. Consensus is not now, nor has it ever been, a part of scientific process. Relying on those more educated than you are is just fine until science becomes corrupted by politics and the politician's eternal quest for more tax dollars from the uninformed. AGW is indeed about politics, wealth redistribution, and crowd control. We can and should be better stewards of our planet; but, we don't need to abandon all scientific process and commit suicide in order to do so. This stewardship has little or nothing to do with CO2. Regardless, a consensus of people from NOAA, NASA,and the IPCC who have all been caught red-handed altering data to meet their failed modeling assumptions is worthless on its face. Failed models, failed theory, end of story.

CO2 is plant food. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas too and the earth is covered by a bunch of it. Imagine if they went after water like they do the energy industry. We need politics to stay out of science. This all fell apart when they got caught falsifying data. Follow the money.
Leftists are the science deniers! LOL! Too funny!

Those liberals who are concerned about CO2 should hold their breaths until they turn blue. Don't exhale. No CO2. No liberals. Problem solved.

(Trump Train aka Honey Badger)
These liberals idiots would have rather breathed nuclear fallout by voting for HRC... end of the planet for sure!
There is no greater contaminant then of one’s mind, you can thank the liberal ideology for that!
Our youths minds are being poisoned all across the campuses in America by these liberal professors.
President Trump already saved the planet by defeating the nuclear holocaust know as HRC, ending the Paris Accord, slashing the EPA and ending big bureaucratic regulations!

these people are seriously mental defects and delusional,, they dont stop to think who is going to fund these places without republican support,, liberals arent going to part with weed money to keep the lights on

Allow me to crystalize your comment a bit more. I think it has a core that is a real insight. You said: "these people...dont stop to think".

Liberals are too p*ssed off at everybody else for not complying with their manias to think about anything other than enforcing their will.

(Pleiades R)
"bite the hand that feeds them" comes to mind

both comments so valid, so many liberals I know think work is beneath them, they spend money on the latest cell/computer/clothing/shoes/entertainment/restaurants... then complain insurance, utilities, necessities are too expensive.... some are on assistance, but they own a "vape", a big screen tv and cable...

they make fun of me for having an old phone and not dressing expensively... I don't have cable or a tv.... but, I pay my own way...

amusingly they support open borders... if only they were destroying their own world, not the world we share...

I often tell them they advocate their own destruction. By destroying the family and abusing the legal system, we have today's society. That is advocating for the leftists grand utopia. Leftists advocate their own destruction. Everybody must suffer as they do.
I usually say it just like that. They accuse me of making threats on the leftist sites. All I do is predict their futures.

These climate nuts are out of control.

Please support our Vets and Police! Boycott the Superbowl this weekend! #Boycottsuperbowl #PleaseStand

(Eric Simpson)
It's a consensus of ideology, not of science. Notice that nearly every conservative scientist does not believe the leftist scam.

Not, "conservative" scientists but many REAL scientists who study cause and effect, are knowledgeable about history, and are not trying to impose their own views on outcomes or results.
There is a current complaint in the scientific community that too many "experiments" are not repeatable, as they should be if the same processes are followed, and I think the problem with replicating in today's science is because too many choose a pre-determined outcome and then force their "experiment" into the desired result. No wonder, one scientist has trouble producing the same conclusion, again.

The problem in science is that they fell for a different god than the the Creator (Jesus Christ), and have been wandering in the darkness ever since.

(Reno Rivera)
Doesn't matter. The left lost on this one.

I don't feel sorry for the fickle, Rebekah Mercer. She's getting some payback here for betraying Bannon.

Also, she is not behind BB and never one who made BB popular.

I guess she is now since Bannon left and BB becoming effeminate with increased People Magazine type and news stories.

Sadly, most of our youth are taught the doctrines of Evolution as "scientific fact", when actually, even Richard Dawkins admits: "Evolution hasn't been observed while it's happening".

(Mash Draggin)
Science is being subverted and swallowed up by politics, and the fact that there are so many marxists at our universities is a big reason why. The left wants to use science as a political weapon. It's actually slowing down real scientific advancement too.

various commenters, Breitbart 11 Comments [2/5/2018 4:19:53 PM]
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