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Quote# 8474

[Reviewing Richard Dawkins' "The Ancestors Tale"]

Dawkins presents an excellent and informative account of evolution in this skillfully crafted and well-written tome. However, as some recent reviewers have noted, Dawkins is operating within benighted scientific orthodoxy and is therefore completely wrong. A simple syllogism proves that existence must have been Created:

Things that exist must have been created
Existence exists
Therefore existence must have been created

Another problem with evolution is the well documented 'dinosaur problem'. If the world was based on survival of the fittest, humans (and most other animals still around today) would have been killed off by the dinosaurs several hundred years ago.

So in conclusion: an excellent book despite its wrongness.

Tanya "Tanya", Amazon.com Reviews 60 Comments [12/2/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 127354

Secularism doesn't work. You call your site "Voice of Reason" but in fact most people don't have the intelligence to reason, so they shouldn't even try. Instead, they should respect tradition and religion. If they do try to reason, the result will be nothing more than rationalization of their instincts, because this is all that they are intellectually capable of doing. So then the question becomes how to make such people respect religion over their own dysfunctional minds. The first answer is to have a powerful alpha-male god since humans (and most primates) are wired to respect an alpha-male leader. I would say that the god of Islam is the most alpha of all gods. And the second answer is to provide religious exercises for people to remember their religion. The Old Testament provides the sabbath which is useful for intelligent people who can use this time to think, but is less useful for those of low intelligence. Again, Islam is optimal here with its 5 daily prayers which consist of repeatedly bowing before God, the act of bowing being the primary expression of submission for humans (and most primates). So I would say that Islam today isn't far from ideal, it just needs a few tweaks to make it less fatalistic.

fschmidt, Mikraite 12 Comments [5/20/2017 11:46:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 127289

[[Child molestation survivor: A child's brain is not developed enough to make that decision. Idfc if I said yes.]]

guilt trips and assumptions regarding my actual position rarely work on me. i oppose paedophilia not on moral grounds but practical grounds instead. sex is merely extensive genital contact, particularly in the pelvic regions. your opinion can be subject to further ridicule because you imply that sex must be 'practical' and procreative; i appear to have found someone who believes in abrahamic natural moral law.

ReclusiveChicken, Deviantart 10 Comments [5/18/2017 11:08:35 PM]
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Quote# 127272

Taylor Swift is a succubus! If you lust after the flesh of Taylor Swift, you will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God! The evil succubus Taylor Swift has created a den for Lucifer in her wickedly sinful vagina, and Satan formed the evil nasty woman with perfectly circular and perky breasts because God would rather have weak trembling boys than STRONG MEN OF GOD! "Boys only want love if it's torture" this succubus has no interest in God and godly love and she didn't understand agape love so therefore she's a disgusting nasty woman who simply wants to have sex with as many men as possible and getting birth control hormones in the water and making men weak beta males full of estrogen like these atheist nerdy video game users who pretend to care about science! Wearing Pi shirts and taking advice from ENGINEER Bill Nye who claims to be an expert in biology, cosmology, astronomy, and meteorology! He's as much of a scientist as the manager of my nearest Wendy's! Little nerds on here can't even get anything right!

James Wilson, RationalWiki 24 Comments [5/19/2017 11:30:06 AM]
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Quote# 127377

Pride. Arrogance. Rebellion. Selfishness. Conceitedness. I know this because I found these roots in my heart in regards to femininity and masculinity. Women (more specifically wives) are called to be/do the following: Helper: Gen 2:18, Care Taker: Titus 2:3-5, Ultimate image of beauty: Song of Solomon, and Submissive to husbands: 1 Tim. 2: 12.
In the second week, I talked about the seeds that were sown early in my life and the product I reaped was masculinity. I can’t say it enough that this was not done intentionally by my parents. None of this was done with the attitude of: “Oh, I want her to be masculine so I will not say anything and lead her down a masculine path.” Who I was came from a sinful and deceptive heart. It was because of Christ and His sacrifice that I could be redeemed: not just spiritually, but with every aspect of my life. We as Christians are not just called to become saved and live our merry lives with no changing. We are called to sanctification. To fix what is broken.
We as Christians should be redeeming everything we come into contact. Our families, church, schools, friends, extended families, neighbors, everyone we come into contact with. Redeeming…to recover sinful distortions into what they were intended to be. God made Adam and Eve perfect. He created their relationship with Himself and with each other perfect. When sin entered into the world, everything-to include creation-was tainted by sin and became distorted. Our relationships became distorted. Our deepest most intimate connections became distorted. Femininity became distorted. Masculinity became distorted. When I was born, I inherited distortion. After I realized (through God’s magnificent grace alone) that my life was horribly masculine and I was living a distorted life, I began the process of becoming who God made me to be: a true woman. My dress, my speech, my walk, my attitude, and soul was becoming more feminine. I didn’t know how bad everything was until I tried to fix it. Imagine a 25 year old trying to walk with her hips and a sway instead of with her shoulders and like a horse rider that just got off a horse after 4 hours of riding… it wasn’t pretty. If anything it was like the one funny part out of a bad comedy.
My hope and prayer is to encourage women to stand down. To get out of man’s arena (where he ultimately flourishes in) and to get into women’s arena (where she will flourish in). When women go into man’s realm, we are taking their masculinity away. They are not true men when we as women are not true women. When women become the primary protectors and the children run to the women for protection (police officer: mom-librarian: dad). When women become the primary means of providing (CEO: mom-stay at home: dad). When women are the primary spiritual leaders of a Christian home (who is teaching the children to follow the Lord…mom or dad? Who is seen as the spiritual leader? Mom or Dad? Kids aren’t stupid….they know.) The Lord will hold the heads of the households primarily responsible for what goes on. “The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate.” Genesis 3:12. God calls Adam to give the account and the distortion began: He blamed God and Eve for what happened.
Kids are sponges. They will soak every distortion up. Praise the Lord for His grace in our children’s life. If it wasn’t for His mercy, “The Lord of the Flies” would be our reality. Although the Lord is sovereign and has 100% control over everything, this does not mean that we step back and not teach our children. We need to teach and train them in the way of the Lord. We need to teach and train the boys to be men and girls to be women. It will be much more difficult (and hypocritical at times) if we don’t act or even know what true manhood and womanhood look like. I implore you to dig deeper, examine your heart, and become the man or woman God intended you to be…. its liberating. Your children and your children’s children will thank you.
“Shall a faultfinder contend with the Almighty? He who argues with God, let him answer it.” Job 40:2.

Nicole Leaman, Disciple Perspective 13 Comments [5/21/2017 2:10:28 PM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

Quote# 127276

You cannot listen to Hawaiian radio, nor visit anywhere in Hawaii, where King Kamehameha is not idolized. Literally, the Hawaiians have turned their last dead king into a god that they worship. All you hear about in their music is about their dead king who died in a California hospital.


King Kamehameha is sadly burning in Hell, because he died in his sins without Jesus Christ. The Hawaiians are infamous for worshipping volcanoes, the earth, rocks and the ocean. This is a road to Hell. The islands have always been plagued with willful ignorance and evil, homosexuality and feminism, where the inhabitants desire only to indulge in drunkenness and wickedness.

Sadly, most Hawaiians will go to Hell because they are arrogant. The Hawaiians are a sinfully proud culture and unmovable. They love their heathen dead king; while rejecting the King of kings, Jesus Christ. I am not hateful toward anyone, and not toward Hawaiians either. It's the other way around. Christians are hated in Hawaii. If you ever visit Hawaii, you will be told repeatedly by your tourist guides about the missionaries who forbade hula dancing and forced the Hawaiians to become Christians, and you will sense the contempt and hatred they have for Christians.

It is tragic that amongst all the beautiful music and nature in Hawaii that they would choose to worship a dead man, instead of worshipping the Lord Jesus Christ! I love people, all people. God is no respecter of persons and neither am I. But I call things as I see them. I see Hawaiians as arrogant, stubborn and sinfully proud; just as are many other cultures. Certainly, there are some born-again Hawaiians, and I thank God for both of them. The rest are going to burn in Hell. If that offends you, then it's only because you do not believe in a literal Hell that burns with fire and brimstone, where the wicked will be tormented day-and-night for all eternity (Revelation 20:15; 21:8). Amen and amen!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 28 Comments [5/19/2017 11:31:13 AM]
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Quote# 127266

The world's numerous religions are evidence for the spiritual source of our conscious human awareness.

Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 13 Comments [5/19/2017 11:28:46 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 8787

One other thing...I dont hate atheists, I pity them.
When I ponder eternal suffering and fire that does not stop burning, I pity them that they choose that.

I would hope you seek grace to understand that God exists. Just so you know though, it is not my problem. Just giving you some info, and saying Hi.

WarriorAngel, Christian Forums 24 Comments [12/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 110001

[Another fundie has claimed that vampires are of the Antichrist, or something like that.]

You could make a good argument that most of the horror genre is a direct opposition/mockery of the Bible.

Zombies: resurrection
Vampire: communion/resurrection.
Ghosts: "It is appointed to man to die once, then the judgement" - not to hang around bothering people. Those who play with ghosts are playing with demons.

Acts5:41, Rapture Ready 24 Comments [6/24/2015 3:20:54 AM]
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Submitted By: documentingtehcrazy

Quote# 33907

YAHWEH is God’s Name ‘I Am’. If you spell it in Ancient Hebrew the letters are a picture of Messiah our Creator with His arms stretched out & His hands hooked by nails to the execution stake!

The Welders Wife, CSE blogs 49 Comments [1/22/2008 3:36:45 AM]
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Quote# 40940

Here again is an example of an attempt to indoctrinate people to the belief by four percent of the population, that there is no God.

How did such a small number of people come to have such power and defiance in removing God from America (and the world)??

America was founded as a Christian nation. And was greatly blessed by God for several hundred years.

But when we drove God out of America, have you noticed the increasing problems (economy, war against terror, abortion, homosexuality, crime, etc.). God is obviously alloowing the world to collapse.

Is that what we want for our children and grandchildren??? Or is it time to stand up and confront those who desire to destroy the world?

And share the saving gospel of Jesus Christ with them; because eternity is a long time to spend without God. And their decision is irreversible when they die. And that is only a few years, at most.

Pray for America.

L. Bell, Denver Post 43 Comments [6/14/2008 9:24:29 PM]
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Submitted By: Arrogant Atheist

Quote# 127274

I (@right-hand-path) am actually an Alumni of Liberty University, and I would say about 90% of my experiences with them have been good. I’ve also got a degree from a secular university with a reasonably “conservative” reputation, but I would probably say that only about 60% to 70% of my experiences there would have been “good” by comparison with LU. I can’t imagine the horrors of attending a secular university where “Social Justice” is the law of the land. So don’t let the negative perceptions of LU stop you from attending there if that is where you would like to go.

I specifically chose to go to LU because of it’s reputation. If secular society hates something that much, then you KNOW it must be good! (See John 15:18 and Matthew 10:22)

That said, pretty much all Christian universities are getting some hate these days, even from some self-identified “Christians” themselves. On my side blog (@anotherpointlessargument), I recently debated a “Christian” who insists that persecution doesn’t exist and Christians are actually “horrible people” that aren’t “Christ-like” enough for her personal taste. She then cited anecdotal evidence for this claim, her status as a student at a Baptist university, before refusing to talk to me any further.

It is sad that so many Christians are blind to the existence of persecution and the shift in worldviews of the majority of American citizens to an exclusively secular perspective that treats Christians as “bigots” who need to be silenced. However, this is the great thing about Liberty University, because they are one of the few educational institutions which directly confronts these problems and makes significant efforts to educate all their students about it.

If GOVT 200 isn’t required for your degree plan (it is required for most, to the best of my knowledge), I would strongly encourage you to take it as an elective. Prevailing Worldviews of Western Society Since 1500 by Glenn R. Martin is probably one of the most informative books I’ve ever read, and that class honestly contained more information than some of the graduate level classes I’ve taken at LU.

anti-christophobia, Tumblr 11 Comments [5/19/2017 11:30:46 AM]
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Quote# 127270

Muslim applies critical thinking to islam, asks for clarification/answers. Fundie responds:

Let me give you an advice. You can either accept that the world is much more complex than your Westernized world view which is a load of fantasy. There are harsh realities in this world that you won't be able to comprehend without coming to realism and leaving western fantasies.

Europeans have been lecturing muslims on humanism and yet they treat refugees worse than they treat their animals because of religion.

Spicen, ummah.com 14 Comments [5/18/2017 7:26:26 AM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 127291

A Creationist Sues the Grand Canyon for Religious Discrimination
The national park wouldn’t let him collect rocks for research.

“How did the Grand Canyon form?” is a question so commonly pondered that YouTube is rife with explanations. Go down into the long tail of Grand Canyon videos, and you’ll eventually find a two-part, 35-minute lecture by Andrew Snelling. The first sign this isn’t a typical geology lecture comes about a minute in, when Snelling proclaims, “The Grand Canyon does provide a testament to the biblical account of Earth’s history.”

Snelling is a prominent young-Earth creationist. For years, he has given lectures, guided biblical-themed Grand Canyon rafting tours, and worked for the nonprofit Answers in Genesis. (The CEO of Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham, is also behind the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter theme park.) Young-Earth creationism, in contrast to other forms of creationism, specifically holds that the Earth is only thousands of years old. Snelling believes that the Grand Canyon formed after Noah’s flood—and he now claims the U.S. government is blocking his research in the canyon because of his religious views.

Last week, Snelling sued park administrators and the Department of Interior, which administers the national parks program, because they would not grant him a permit to collect 50 to 60 fist-sized rocks. All research in the national park is restricted, especially if it requires removing material. But the Grand Canyon does host 80 research projects a year, ranging from archaeology digs to trout tracking.

Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian legal advocacy group that filed the lawsuit on behalf of Snelling, alleged discrimination by the park. “National Park Service: Research in Grand Canyon okay for geologists … but not Christian ones,” read the headline on their press release. (Interior department and NPS spokespeople declined to comment because of the pending litigation.)

If the permit application hit a nerve, it’s because young-Earth creationists have a bit of an obsession with the Grand Canyon. Where geologists see billions of years of rock layers carved out by a persistent flow of water, young-Earth creationists see sediments laid down in Noah’s flood. As the flood receded, they believe, water became trapped behind natural dams, until it finally broke through in a “catastrophic erosion” that carved the Grand Canyon.

This is the story told on religious rafting trips organized by companies like Canyon Ministries, for which Snelling also works as a guide. In 2004, a book by the Canyon Ministry founder Tom Vail caused a stir when it was sold at the national park’s bookstores.

It’s all part of an uneasy relationship between the park and young-Earth creationists. The park does permit the rafting trips, and it has allowed creationists, including Snelling according to the lawsuit, to work in the park before. Another prominent young-Earth creationist, Steve Austin, took photos of nautiloid fossils in the park and used them to argue that the creatures died during the flood. “I think the NPS has felt a bit stung by past creationist research in the Grand Canyon,” says Steven Newton, who teaches geology at College of Marin and serves as the programs and policy director for the National Center for Science Education, a nonprofit that opposes teaching creationism in public schools.

Exactly why the park did not grant Snelling’s application is, of course, now the subject of a lawsuit. His project did involve collecting a sizable number of rocks, which can invite more scrutiny. In an email to Snelling filed as part of the lawsuit, a park officer said the project was not granted because the type of rock he wanted to study can also be found outside of the Grand Canyon. The park solicited peer reviews from three mainstream geologists. One mentioned the rocks could be found elsewhere; all three overwhelmingly denounced the work as not scientifically valid, a criterion the park also uses to evaluate proposals. Snelling, who holds a Ph.D. in geology, did not disclose his Answers in Genesis affiliation, nor did he explicitly say he wanted to prove the Grand Canyon is young in his initial permit application, but the reviewers became aware of his reputation.

Geology as a profession has struggled with what to do with young-Earth creationists, whose beliefs are contradicted by literal mountains of scientific evidence. Shut them down, and you get cries of censorship—like this lawsuit. “This just so plays into their hands,” Newton says about the national park’s treatment of Snelling’s application. Newton favors letting creationists do their research and then arguing on the merits of their science. But allowing them to present at scientific conferences, others say, is lending creationists legitimacy.

“That’s really a tough question because in science we want to be the type of community where people can bring about ideas that are controversial,” says Stephen Moshier, a geologist at Wheaton, a Christian liberal arts college in Illinois, and a former president of the Affiliation of Christian Geologists. The problem, according to Moshier, who is not a young-Earth creationist, is that they want mainstream geologists to be open to new ideas, but it’s the young-Earth creationists themselves who have proved inflexible in the face of new evidence contradicting their ideas. “Often I read things by young-Earth creationists where I think they really ought to know better. Many of them have excellent training in the geosciences,” he says. (Snelling declined to comment because of the lawsuit. Four other young-Earth creationists who study the Grand Canyon did not respond to requests for comment.)

That the Grand Canyon is the stage where this conflict now plays out is no coincidence. The canyon is such a potent example of the power of small changes over time—of what’s possible on geological time scales. “Look through any introductory geology textbook, any sedimentology textbook, and the Grand Canyon is going to be there in either full color or on the whole page,” says Moshier.

Last year, he and other Christian geologists published a book titled The Grand Canyon, Monument to an Ancient Earth, directly refuting young-Earth creationists who cite the canyon as evidence of Noah’s flood. “It wouldn’t be of any use writing about the Appalachian Mountains—even though I think we can make a stronger case for an ancient Earth there because the geology is so complex,” says Moshier. “Because they make a big deal out of the Grand Canyon and use it as a lab for young-Earth creationism and flood geology, that’s naturally where we had to focus the book.”

When young-Earth creationists invoke God, they are tapping into a real sense of wonder about the Grand Canyon. It’s easy—in fact all too human—to wonder how so small a river could have carved so vast a chasm. One partial answer is that the Glen Canyon dam has quelled the spring floods that originally bored through rock; the lazily winding Colorado River that you see today is not the river that formed the Grand Canyon. But also, humans are bad at intuiting the consequences of deep time. Once you add enough zeros to number of years they all start to sound the same.

It’s hard to imagine how much can happen in geological time. About 1.7 billion years ago, a series of volcanoes crashed into what would become the continent of North America and created mountains taller than the Himalayas today. Those mountains eroded back down to hills to form the rock that now rests at the base of the canyon. Over countless millions of years, a shallow sea expanded and contracted over the area, laying down the sediment that would become the sandstone, shale, and limestone layers. Plate tectonics then pushed those rock layers up and up to became the Colorado Plateau. And finally, flowing water carved its way down 1.7 billion years of rock.

It’s hard to imagine, but there is wonder and grandeur in this imagination, too.

Andrew Snelling, The Atlantic 25 Comments [5/18/2017 11:08:41 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 127304

Gays and lesbians are one of the most influential, best-connected, best-funded, and best-organized interest groups in modern politics, and have attained more legislative victories, political power, and popular favor in less time than virtually any other group in American history. Scary huh? Just remember that God is still upon His throne and the wicked have already been defeated, they just don't know it yet. Everyone must return to the dust of the earth, and THEN THE JUDGMENT (Hebrews 9:27).

Perverts like Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber and Katy Perry are pushing today's youth into the homosexual lifestyle. ABC's lesbian “modern family” and Walt Disney's teen programming are all pushing the homosexual agenda. God only knows the persecution and prosecution around the corner for God-fearing, faithful, sin-hating, Christ-honoring, believers in the United States. YOU ARE THE ENEMY CHRISTIANS! Most believers are eerily silent right now, because the homosexuals aren't fighting against us yet. You just wait! Once they gain solid control, you're going to see persecution of God-fearing Christians like never before in our nation.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 22 Comments [5/19/2017 11:33:55 AM]
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Quote# 69528

Where in the world did the idea come from that things left to themselves can improve with time? Who would start a crazy idea like that? This idea is the opposite of everything we observe in the world today. For instance, all the highways in our nation today left to themselves decay, deteriorate and fall apart. A house left to itself will become a wreck. It takes work and constant planning to make anything improve. Everything tends toward disorder.

Kent Hovind, Kent Hovind's Ph.D dissertation 77 Comments [1/14/2010 10:39:22 PM]
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Submitted By: Boy Wonder

Quote# 8423

we are in a Spiritual War with Secular Humanism and Atheism which isn't motivated by Love for anyone, and does truly lead all who embrace it to death. So don't be offended that we feel deeply and and passionately as we debate the evils these belief systems represent as they corrupt our young and lead the masses astray.

Unworthy Servant, Bibleforums.org 10 Comments [11/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8446

I do not understand why some Evolutionists are so passionate about the Theory of "Life Just Happening" for no reason or purpose. It there were just 3 to 10 species of living beings, this would better support their theory. However, millions of very distinct creatures with a unique ability to reproduce no matter how small, large, unusual let's us know that there is a Creator.

Mike Olcott, Tennessean Forum 5 Comments [11/30/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8450

['Panderichthys (380MYA) - earliest known fish with bone structure of ulna, radius, humerus in pectoral fins, and femur/tibia/fibula in the hindlimb. Originally classified as an amphibian, until complete skeletons were unearthed demonstrating an attached pectoral girdle, delicate vertebrae, and a long caudal fin. (Thompson American Scientist, 79(Nov/Dec 1991))

Acanthostega and Ichthyostega (363MYA) - Fish with 8 or 7 fingers on each pectoral and hind fin, respectivley (Coates and Clack, Nature, 352, July 18, 1991, p. 234-236). Four legs, internal gills, lungs, detached pectoral girdle, but weak ribs, delicate vertebrae, weak pelvic girdle, preoperculum, and abundant foramen throughout the skull indicating vascularization of the gills, indicating that they were still functional.']

And Panderichthys is a FISH! It has no limbs. It has fins. There has never been found a fossil of a "fishbian," if you will, which has partially developed limbs. Indeed, how could a partial limb have been an advantage but if no partial limbed "fishbian" ever existed, then the question of how could a fish change into an amphibian without intermediate stages. The problem is making sense of necessary evolution tales.

Tim Weatherly, Tennessean Forum 18 Comments [11/30/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 8456

a bat's wing and the human arm have similar bone structures, but that doesn't mean we share an ancestor! you can think that if you want, but you have to leave science in order to do so.

Josh, Myspace 6 Comments [11/30/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 115337

First, men and women don't naturally have the same interests.
Then, if we have, and if both parties "click", they will want to grow into something more, romantically, sexually etc...

As a man, I become friends with other men by "default", but with women, it's because there's a problem : she has a boyfriend, she's too ugly, something is wrong in her personality etc...
If there's attraction mentally and physically, it's hard to pretend to be "friends" and to keep it that way.

Personally I don't have a lot of females friends, as it grows generally romantically. The women I'm friend with are mostly "women not attractive enough to grow romantic interest" or my exes.

And to remain "friend" with a woman I find attractive feels like to remain in a state of constant failure or being a loser. Men don't like that.
Even if I make an effort to remain "friend", the hypocrisy and bottled-up sexual attraction/seduction in not healthy at all.

If your male friends are friend with you, it's because they are attracted to you already, to your personality at least. Some of them probably find you also physically attractive.

If you're still friend with some of them, its because
- you (or they) already have a partner,
- you don't find them (or they don't find you) attractive enough

Otherwise, it's hard to understand why a single male and single female attracted to each other, mentally and physically, wouldn't hook up (or try to).

This male-female friendship thing is very new, very Western, and very unrealistic. Friendship are supposed to be platonic, which is natural and easier with same-sex (heterosexual) people. If a male and a female are friend (therefore platonic), it logically means something is wrong in their mutual attraction.

Men, women can be friends, but should they?

All men like to have their "ugly" female friend they can talk to, without feeling the pressure to "conquer" or "seduce".

BlackLieutenant, INTJForums 12 Comments [12/17/2015 6:12:30 PM]
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Quote# 126129

I tell ya folks, nerds are one of the most dangerous groups in this country, because they're gonna end up running things, but they still hate everybody, because they weren't the jocks in high school, so they play little dirty games on everybody. [begins pointing to head] They use their brains to hurt people. And I'm aware of them. Ok, I'mma — I SEE YOU, YOU LITTLE RATS!

Alex Jones, Youtube 30 Comments [4/8/2017 5:04:53 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 106404

According to the website of a group that promotes faith in these Norse gods, these people are basing their beliefs on their ancient heritage and culture.* Yet the original Viking heritage involved raping, pillaging, and plundering others. Of course, these neopagans don’t want or promote a return to that. But it was the Christian influence that put an end to these actions! So why are they rejecting Christianity and bringing back part of their religious heritage but maintaining Christian—not Norse—principles of morality? Well, because these neopagans are being utterly inconsistent!

Ken Ham, Answers in Genesis 54 Comments [2/15/2015 4:36:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Tony

Quote# 127327

Modern culture is evil. If you don't agree with this, let me save you some time and suggest that you stop reading here. This post discusses alternatives to modern culture on the assumption that you reject modern culture because it is evil. What are the alternatives to modern culture? Before discussing alternatives that I think can work, I will discuss alternatives that don't work.

Politics doesn't work. Moral people are an insignificant minority in all nations today. And never in history has a nation been made moral through politics. Politics is useful in a society formed by moral people. In such a society, politics can help implement the will of these moral people. This is how America worked before it became evil. But in an evil society, politics is just a contest for power, nothing more.

Modern Christianity doesn't work. Modern Christianity is all faith and no works, which means no morality. The main practical difference between a modern Christian and an atheist is that the modern Christian violates the third commandment while the atheist doesn't, making the atheist slightly less sinful than the modern Christian. I discussed in detail what went wrong with modern Christianity in The Rise and Fall of Christian Culture.

Modern Catholicism doesn't work. To a large degree, what went wrong with Protestantism has infected Catholicism. The current Pope is a total disaster. But Catholicism was essentially doomed by the Second Vatican Council which fully gave in to modern culture.

White nationalism doesn't work. No racial movement in history has succeeded without religious backing. White nationalists who want success should copy the most successful racial movement, namely Judaism. This means that white nationalists need to pick a religion for their movement. Until they do so, they are a hopeless bunch.

That completes the important options that don't work. Now let's consider options that work. History shows that all good cultures are supported by a good religion. How can one judge if a religion is good and strong enough to resist modern culture? One superficial way to judge that I have found to be very effective is just to ask whether men and women sit separately during religious service. Religions that have maintained this separation have shown that they are strong enough to resist modern culture

Orthodox Judaism works well if you are a racist jew. I am jewish but not racist, so Judaism doesn't work for me. For non-jewish racists, Orthodox Judaism is a model well worth copying.

Orthodox Christianity may work in some conditions. Mainstream Orthodox Christianity does not work in the West because it is too weak of a religion to withstand modern culture. This can be seen by the fact that the sexes are mixed in service. Historically, Orthodox Christianity has always partnered with a government that supports it, so this seems to be the condition in which it works. Currently, the obvious candidate is Orthodox Christianity in Russia where it has government backing. I haven't been to Russia, so I can't say for sure how well this works, but I think this is an option well worth investigating for Christians.

True Orthodox Christianity is a variant of Orthodox Christianity that looks interesting and may actually work in the West. But it is small and its future is uncertain. Here is a very good set of videos explaining the idea.

Conservative Mennonism is an excellent alternative for Christians. All of traditional Anabaptism is sound, but the conservative Mennonites seem to have found the optimal balance. They don't reject all modern technology as Old Order Anabaptists do (like the Amish), but they still do a good job keeping modern culture out. They are serious Christians, serious about following Jesus's teachings. The book Brethren Thinking written by an unconventional Old Order Anabaptist provides a highly intelligent introduction to Anabaptist thinking. The book An Introduction to Old Order and Conservative Mennonite Groups provides a good overview of the Mennonite variants. I specifically recommend the Mennonite groups classified as "Ultra-Conservatives" on page 162 of this book. You can find a Mennonite church near you using this map. If you have any more questions about Mennonites, you can ask on this Mennonite forum.

Islam is an alternative worth investigating. While Islam has issues today, it has worked well in the past. And it still at least upholds basic moral traditions. I believe that Islam is the religion that is most likely to have a reformation and become the next successful culture. But to judge Islam for yourself, you should visit your local mosque and read the Quran.

Mikraite is the alternative that I have chosen. None of the above options work for me because I am not a jewish racist and not Christian. So I worked with some like-minded people to form a moral religion based on the Old Testament. You can read more in What is a Mikraite?.

fschmidt, Mikraite 22 Comments [5/20/2017 1:47:50 AM]
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Not sure where to submit this - it's a fundy fight between regular Nazi holocaust deniers and flat earth Nazi holocaust deniers


here is a challenge for all the non believers, somebody give me a picture of the earth that is not CGI

just one


Science is the acquisition of knowledge capable of being reproduced.

You can’t reproduce Big Bang. It’s not science.

With flat earth, there are multiple lines of evidence that point in the same direction.

Many globe claims have been power of suggestion, reliance on authority, and black box frauds. As a thesis, flat earth is stronger in 2017 than 2007.

You can’t land on a lightning bolt. You can’t land on the “sun” or “stars” or “planets,” if they are electromagnetic plasma formations. We don’t normally deal with plasma, or understand its properties, or understand the connection between plasma and consciousness, in terms of the concept, field.

Newton’s Third Law prohibits acceleration in space. You need a medium to move: floor, water, atmosphere. Space is not a medium. This would explain why NASA had to lie and fake a moon mission.


Why not? They lie about the holocaust, they lie about the bible, they lie about every single war, they constantly change history, the pretend to be part of the European diaspora, they lie about the control their banks have, they shovel race mixing propaganda down our throats, so if any of this flat earth stiff has any merit at all, it wouldn’t be a surprise if the jews were lying about that too.

In all honesty i do believe the moon landings are fake. I don’t think we can even get to the moon, nasa even admitted we cant get past the van allen belt due to radiation, so i am 100% convinced the moon landings were faked, at least the first one.

But then we have . . .


What are all the thousands of photos of stars, galaxies and planets and why would they go to such extreme lengths to create such a dumb conspiracy? And why would they invent all of these apparently totally fictional satellites and go into great detail about their workings, specifications, and spend time making these elaborate and unnecessary ‘props’ in lab environments? Again, utterly stupid idea.

various nazis of various sanity levels, wonkette 17 Comments [5/9/2017 4:01:33 PM]
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