Quote# 136862

Bundestag slams far-right AfD, reaffirms Holocaust remembrance
Parliamentarians minced no words about the right-wing populists' increasingly radical statements about Germany's dark past. The discussion was sparked by AfD calls to ban the Stumbling Stones remembrance initiative.

Bundestag slams far-right AfD, reaffirms Holocaust remembrance

Parliamentarians minced no words about the right-wing populists' increasingly radical statements about Germany's dark past. The discussion was sparked by AfD calls to ban the Stumbling Stones remembrance initiative.
Jewish people take part in a rally against anti-Semitism in front of the Berlin Cathedral (picture-alliance/dpa/B. Pedersen)

In a special discussion in Germany's parliament, the Bundestag, MPs underscored the country's commitment to remembering the Holocaust and the other crimes of Germany's Nazi past. The session was called by the Greens after increasing agitation from within the far-right populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) party to end Germany's culture of remembrances.

Members of Germany's other political parties excoriated the AfD for insulting the memory of history's victims and using racist terms and ideas.

"You from AfD employ Nazi vocabulary on a daily basis and try to divide our society," said Green MP Konstantin von Notz. "These statements express contempt for humanity and are incompatible with the values of this house. You are growing more radical by the minute. You are in the tradition of the worst sort of people who brought death and shame upon this country."

AfD MPs tried to interrupt Notz's brief speech with catcalls and insults and were officially called to order. Speaking for the conservative CDU/CSU, Marian Wendt didn't mince words either in condemning the far-right populists.

"Democracy is impossible without a culture of remembrance because responsibility grows from memory," Wendt said. "The AfD treads upon the memory of the victims of the Holocaust. That's the lowest of the low. You should be ashamed of yourself."

Members of the Social Democrats, the center-right Free Democratic Party and the Left Party echoed those sentiments. The unenviable task of responding fell to AfD MP Marc Jongen.

"It was obvious that criticism of extremist incitement would turn into incitement against the AfD," Jongen said. "We are fighting against the elimination of the West. Sometimes in the heat of battle, individual voices have gone too far and strayed into the red area of distortion. We need to remember the crimes of the past but we shouldn't have a cult of guilt."

A pattern of increasing radicalism

The open session was sparked by a growing number of incidents in which AfD politicians, particularly on the local level, have attacked Germany's culture of remembrance and have flirted with racist and Nazi vocabulary.

In early January, the AfD leader in the eastern state of Saxony, Björn Höcke, derogatorily referred to the Holocaust memorial in Berlin as a "monument of shame." That and other statements by Höcke led moderates to try to ban him from the party - without success.

Saxony-Anhalt AfD head André Poggenburg has repeatedly used Nazi jargon and last week referred to Turks living in Germany as "caraway seed dealers and camel drivers." An official complaint against him for "incitement to violence" has been filed with the police.

And last week, AfD member of the regional parliament of Baden-Württemberg Wolfgang Gedeon called upon a local mayor to ban the laying of a so-called Stolperstein, or "stumbling stone," memorializing an individual victim killed by the Nazis. In a statement on his website, Gedeon dismissed Germany's culture of remembrance as a "dictatorship of memory." Late last year, twelve of the stones were stolen from a Berlin street in what police regard as an example of right-wing extremism

'Anti-Semitic, right-wing extremist politics'

Jewish groups have followed with concern the increasing expressions of hostility toward remembering the past.

"The attacks show that more and more people think they can now say out loud what they previously only thought for themselves," the vice-president of the International Auschwitz Committee, Christoph Heubner, told DW. "The right-wing populism represented in local parliaments and the Bundestag is behind this. Ennobled by (their success in a) democracy, people now think they can attack, discredit and ridicule sites of remembrance."

Stumbling stones continue despite AfD

The latest attack on the stumbling stones has caused particular outrage because of the special nature of the project. Since 1993, German artist Gunter Demnig has been laying small brass cobblestones with the names and dates of birth and death of killed under the Nazi dictatorship on sidewalks in front of the houses where they once lived.

As of April 2017, 61,000 stumbling stones had been installed at more than 1100 locations throughout Europe. The project keeps history alive in two senses. The stones remind people in their everyday lives and routines about the extent of Nazi genocide. And because private citizens, in particular school pupils, research the histories of the victims and play an active role in laying the stones, the project encourages people to learn more about the past.

Demnig is defiant about the right-wing populist attacks on his project in particular and the culture of remembrance in general. He says his initiative has more momentum than ever before.

"I always thought that interest would diminish, but it's increasing," Demnig told DW. "Attacks from the AfD were only to be expected, but I know that (the project) will continue."

Demnig was invited to Berlin for Friday's parliamentary debate but chose not to attend. Instead, he remained in the southern part of the country, where he was laying further stumbling stones. They are part of a lifelong effort to prevent people forgetting the millions of people butchered in the name of German nationalism and illusions of racial superiority.

AfD, Deutsche Welle 7 Comments [2/23/2018 4:24:43 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 7593

The President doesn't say incompetent things. Liberals only say he does to cover for their own intellectual inadequacies.

Rev Prez, Internet Infidels 17 Comments [7/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 136825

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Trump Derangement Syndrome: An American Epidemic"

(Note: no actual story follows, despite this being called "News Network" - only a YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0CYKK_mMo)

I wasn't going to watch this but based on the comment below I glad I did. She's funny and cool

Lady Checkmate:
LOL...I LOVED this video :)!!

Conservatively Unambiguous:
I'm crying

Lady Checkmate:
Hilarious, isn't it??

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 17 Comments [2/21/2018 7:20:09 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136809

Of course I understand what you are saying, but can you not discern a potential difference between physical determinism, defined entirely by the aimless nature of scientific laws and material properties, and non-physical determinism which is driven by something outside nature and is not constrained by the uncontrollable forces of nature.

The enormous creative potential within every human being offers ample evidence that the driving forces behind this potential come from a source which is not restricted to the outcome of the aimless uncontrollable forces of nature.

Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 5 Comments [2/23/2018 12:52:10 PM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 136782

I can't help thinking about it when the gay community keep whinging for "equal rights". They don't want equal rights, they already have them. What they really want is to get their perversions legalized.

Mark, Patheos 23 Comments [2/22/2018 7:45:28 PM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 130764

In a radio interview on Tuesday, Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin linked the recent violence at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, to the removal of Bible study from public schools, saying that the removal of “things that are biblically taught from society” is correlated with “the kind of mayhem” we saw in Charlottesville.

Bevin spoke on Tuesday with West Virginia radio host Tom Roten about the Charlottesville violence and efforts to remove Confederate monuments from public lands, which Bevin said was a “sanitization of history” that he “absolutely” disagrees with.

Bevin said that removing these monuments sets “a dangerous precedent” that we’re “not allowed to talk about certain elements of our history” and amounts to “revisionist history.”

He then appeared to allude to efforts to remove statues of Roger Taney, the Supreme Court justice who wrote the Dred Scott decision, as part of a slippery slope set by removing Confederate memorials. (Although Bevin did not name names, a statue of Taney was recently removed in Annapolis, Maryland.)

“At what point—If somebody happened to have been a judge and something was erected in their honor but they happened to have one ruling one time that somebody’s offended by, is that worthy of them being removed from pretending they ever existed?” he asked.

Later in the interview, Roten asked Bevin about a “Bible literacy” bill he signed in June that encourages public schools to offer nominally secular Bible courses.

Bevin linked the removal of religious education in public schools to the efforts to take down Confederate monuments, saying that taking the Bible out of schools is also a “dangerous” attempt to “scrub history” because “when you go back a couple of hundred years, in most instances the only textbooks that were in our public schools were the Bible .”

“And it’s interesting,” he added, referring to the discussion of Charlottesville, “the more we’ve removed any sense of spiritual obligation or moral higher authority or absolute right and wrong, the more we’ve removed things that are biblically taught from society, the more we’ve seen the kind of mayhem that we were just discussing.”

Matt Bevin, Right Wing Watch 17 Comments [8/19/2017 1:15:06 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 96028

Q: If you are a Christian... Is there any benefit for you?

A: Sure. Lots. I was selfish, lonely, hedonistic, and a lot of other things I didn't know I was. I thought I understood love, and joy, and peace, and sorrow, etc. but have learned that my prior understanding was really only a sliver of what it could be. I'm a better persona and I live with better people (of course that last part wasn't hard to do partying and living lawlessly.

Q: For people in your life -- friends, family, coworkers, etc.?

A: Any answer would be speculative because only they can answer that question but I can say that the men don't have to worry about me having sex with their wives, girlfriends, and daughter, and none of them have to worry about me acting selfishly, or violently, or breaking into their houses and stealing their stuff, or acting avoidantly or inconvenienced when they're in need, and none of us are caught up in a delusion that we're moral people living perfectly moral lives. I know how to give and keep my word and those with whom I live and work and play with, for the most part, also know how to do the same.

Josheb, CARM Discussion Forums 33 Comments [8/17/2013 6:10:48 AM]
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Quote# 8146

If humans such as yourself had written the bible, then they would have thought that everyone would love Christ, just as you have. But humans did not write the bible which is why the bible prophecies the opposite prophecies that humans would come up with which have also come true. This is another proof that only an infallible entity like the Holy Spirit could have written the bible.

Carico, Atheist Network 12 Comments [10/18/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 30738

Look, any guy could become gay if he wanted to, i can easily imagine myself being like "oh what a tight ass, what a fine body, i want to blah blah blah". But any logical guy can realize that the guy and the girl are meant for each other, and you dont have to be insecure over whether or not your gay because its caused by demons.

Shizzle, Foru.ms 59 Comments [11/2/2007 5:59:11 PM]
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Submitted By: Aaron

Quote# 24585

Magicians actually conjure spirits to do their bidding. Although I think anything used against God can be considered magic including science.

StickDust, Youtube - comments 55 Comments [5/2/2007 12:00:00 AM]
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Submitted By: anti-nonsense

Quote# 46669

[consider this guy is a evangelical preacher in Guatemala]

The JWs are a pain in the rear! In Germany they are not allowed to talk to you on the streets unless you approach them. I like that! They are very persistant and prey on the weak who don't know the Word of God.

[The last sentance just reeks of pot, kettle and black]

Jeff, Ourchristianplace forums 24 Comments [9/5/2008 6:24:01 AM]
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Submitted By: Mycernius

Quote# 160

In my college days, when I was more of a moderate, I had actually tried to befriend homosexuals and preach the Gospel to them in order to convert them from their wicked ways, but to no avail. They would listen for a time but then go right back to their old patterns of self-destructive behavior - which also included heavy drinking, drug use, and general lawlessness. It was like there was something evil inside them that made them do what they do - something that refused to let them go. From those experiences, I have deduced that homosexuals are, among other things, possessed by demons. And if they refuse to reject the wicked doctrines of these demons, they must be separated out from the mainstream of society in order to protect it. And since America is no longer a Christian country, it may be necessary to create a country within a country wherein our values will be upheld by law, if only to protect ourselves from these people.

<p>Am I wrong?

Doug, Christian Exodus 15 Comments [6/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 49354

(can it be? it's the trifecta!)


Pavinz, AOL News 55 Comments [10/8/2008 3:29:30 PM]
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Submitted By: The Lazy One

Quote# 40757

Wow, a President that stands for freedom, liberty and is a Christian...and people don't like him? What a surprise.

Those that like this idea [impeaching Bush] are either ignorant or misinformed of any absolute truth found in the world and lack a good sense worldview.

We don't live in a vacuum...and there are absolutes...

Thank God for a man like Bush who has stood up to these pressures. God help us in the next 4 years, if America lasts that long.

Jonathan, Progressive Politics Examiner 43 Comments [6/11/2008 2:55:06 PM]
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Quote# 8416

I am not comparing the abortion of one baby to the holocaust of the Jewish people during WWII... no... I am comparing the 40 to 50 million abortions in this country to the 6 million Jews in Germany.. and there is double that in Russia, and who knows how many millions in China...... so.... in that way, the abortion holocaust is sooooo much worse...

murjahel, Christian Forums 11 Comments [11/28/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 136827

US State dept. bullying of Eastern Europeans – particularly compliant, obedient ones like Estonians and Latvians – was commonplace during the Bush and Obama regimes. They pushed homosexuality, diversity, tolerance — all the usual stuff. This included upbraiding the natives for not being nice enough to the Russians who invaded them in the 40s.

The US embassy even went to the trouble of helping organize gay pride marches in these countries.

Also, ambassadors typically hailed from a particular ethnic group that doesn’t happen to like Eastern Europeans very much. It’s pretty amazing the amount of abuse these people put up with from State, but perhaps that’s the point of power: you use it when and where you can.

Bill P, Unz 9 Comments [2/21/2018 7:20:38 PM]
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Quote# 130806

Before we know it the #ViolentLeft will ban the names "Robert" and "Lee".

#Antifa and #BLM will punch anyone with those names.

Corey Stewart, Twitter  11 Comments [8/21/2017 1:32:37 AM]
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Quote# 15191

After debating Satan for several months I’ve come to some conclusions. And my conclusions come with a heavy heart. I have always believed in a world where the good guys win and the bad guys lose. I’ve always believed that good will prevail over evil.

But the more I debate here, the more I’m begining to realize there’s a wicked undercurrent I’m swimming against. There’s a ferocious enemy lurking below the surface that I cant quite put my finger on. And I’m realizing that I cannot overcome what I do not understand. And it’s not merely a non-belief in God or a happy-go-lucky free-thinker individual that I’m up against..…it’s a much more sinister entity than the innocent disbelief that’s portrayed here.

Unlike Christ, who sacrificed himself for others’ everlasting life, Satan -- like the piece of garbage that he is -- sacrifices other people for everlasting death. And unlike the Bible, which says human beings are made in the image of God, Satan says we are made in the image of of him -- a carnal beast, and our lives should procede according to his particular appetite -- where savagery, murder, rape and death is natural and to be expected and promoted. Meanwhile life and love and worship of God should be eliminated.

How can one debate this mindset? I’m finding that I can’t do it.

And the weird thing is, I’m not at all convinced that Satan actually believes in the sorry theory he so eagerly promotes. He doesn’t necessarily believe in random mutations – he doesn’t have any real faith in Natural Selection – and he doesn’t truly believe in adaptive radiation. (When’s the last time Satan made a post on here PROMOTING the validity of these things?).….instead these are merely his tools that are being used to decieve and convince others.

Ulimately, Satan believes in anything that will point others away from the notion that God Created the world. Truth is not what his goal is – his goal is deception. And he will use any tool of deception that will steer people away from Christ. He’s obsessed with making people lose their faith because he loves the notion that people will be spending their eternities with him as a melted corpse, scorched inside his torture chamber down in hell. This is why Satan invades so many Christian forums with vigor – simply to throw a wrecking ball into people’s spiritual lives. There is no other explanation!

supersport, CARM 38 Comments [9/21/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 100369

[A positive review on the metacritic page for the film 'God's not Dead']

It gets 10/10 solely due to the massive butt hurt it has caused atheists. Proving the premise of the movie true (that atheists are bitter, spiteful and angry people who attempt to use science to refute God), the atheists have taken to writing emotional charged reviews attacking the movie whilst generalizing Christians and using all the insults in the book against religion because the movie hit a nerve with them. 10/10

Atheistbutthurt, Metacritic 40 Comments [4/4/2014 3:41:14 AM]
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Submitted By: Oliver Thiele

Quote# 133080

Two Common Lies Christians Tell Themselves About Halloween

We don’t participate in any of the “bad stuff” about Halloween, just the fun aspects. Sure, you don’t let your kids dress up as witches or ghosts, but what do you tell them when they ask why their friends are in costumes that are mimicking the underworld? Or how do you answer their questions about the house across the street that is decorated like a graveyard? Do you tell them that’s okay for them, just not us? If you do, you are telling your kids that it is okay to emulate evil. I’m not taking this to an extreme folks. Kids are literal. How is a young child pretending to be a scary monster with a hatchet stuck in his head acceptable for Halloween? Or maybe you tell them it’s not okay, but we should just ignore it. Now you are teaching them to not care about the lost. It is a slippery slope, parents, very slippery.
We only participate in our church’s Fall Festival (which, ahem, just happens to fall on October 31st, and we just happen to dress up for it, and we just happen to pass out candy to kids there). Seriously? Honestly, this practice gets me more upset than any other part of a Christian participating in this holiday. What about 1 John 2:15 or Romans 12:2? I see no reason to conform ourselves to this world just so our children don’t feel “left out” on October 31st. Guess what? God calls us specifically to be left out, to be set apart (holy) for Him, every day of the year. I’m pretty sure Jesus and His disciples were the odd ducks in the neighborhood. I can not justify celebrating a pagan holiday with my pagan neighbors as being set apart, and I certainly can not justify a pretend, watered-down, Christian-ified (yes, I made that word up) version. Come on, Christians, be different and feel honored that you are! Use this night to teach your children why we are different, why we are not participating in Halloween, and how freeing that can be.

Penny Lane, Sisters Rasing Sisters 12 Comments [10/17/2017 3:37:15 PM]
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Submitted By: P.E.T.F

Quote# 123820

[ That woman could’ve froze to death. That person should be ashamed of themselves for not helping. ]

Hating people because of their race, or gender, or religion, thinking somebody is subhuman because of those things isn’t a “political view” it’s an attitude, and it makes you a piece of shit.
If you support hatred, bigotry, and killing those you see as subhuman because of race, gender, religion - or standing by while others do so - then yeah, I’m not going to help you.
Not preventing the death of Nazis doesn’t make you as bad as a Nazi. Hating somebody because they are horrible doesn’t make you as bad as them.
By your logic, American and British soldiers and Marines were just as bad as Nazis, because killing Nazis is as bad as killing non-Nazis. Nah, bro, it isn’t.

myfriendsstupidblog, Tumblr 40 Comments [1/22/2017 8:03:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Menomaru

Quote# 34521

This makes no sense. The Bible is the Word of God, it has nothing to do with any religion. Our government was founded on Christianity.

Dee, Christian Forums 57 Comments [2/4/2008 12:13:13 PM]
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Submitted By: Zane

Quote# 136779

A group of six SC lawmakers are looking to define same-sex marriages as 'parody marriages'
Monday, February 19th 2018, 10:00 am EST
By Jeremy Turnage, Digital Content Manager

COLUMBIA, SC (WIS) - A group of six Republican lawmakers are looking to redefine marriage even after the U.S. Supreme Court upheld same-sex marriage in a landmark June 2015 ruling.

The "Marriage and Constitution Restoration Act" aims to refer to any marriage not between a man and a woman as "parody marriage." The bill says those marriages "fail to check out the human design."

The bill goes further and defines marriage as only a "union between a man and a woman."

Reps Josiah Magnuson, Bill Chumley, Steven Long, Mike Burns, John McCravy, and Rick Martin filed the bill in mid-February. All six lawmakers are running for re-election in the 2018 general election.

The Supreme Court made all bans on same-sex marriage unconstitutional following a 5-4 ruling in the Obergefell v. Hodges case.

Justice Anthony Kennedy issued the opinion of the court in that case.

"No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family," Kennedy wrote. "In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right."

The South Carolina bill was referred to the House Judiciary Committee.

Six South Carolina Republicans, WIS 32 Comments [2/19/2018 1:15:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 34432

When I was 7 or 6 years old several years ago watching the cartoon Scooby-doo I was influenced by these occultic things.

What are these occultic things in Scooby-Doo show you ask? As I can remember there were witchcrafts, voodoo dolls, spells, levitation, witches, demons, satanic and occultic symbols.

And how did they influence me you ask? Not only me, but the children around me watching the show also. They and I were amazed and curious. We had this desire to make spells, learn magic and rituals, and "Put dangerous and inappropriate things in a large bowl with fire and sticks under it."

And yes I tried it before.

Well, i'm above 13 yrs old and below 18 yrs old. It is bad for the eyes and ears of the children to watch and hear these kinds of stuff because their minds are open and they can be easily influenced like I was.

Arcen, Yahoo Answers 98 Comments [2/3/2008 1:25:52 AM]
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Quote# 34433

I disagree with you. This IS the problem with freedom of speech, freedom of religion and democracy. If it weren’t for these things, Fred and his fanatics would not be able to spread their false teachings and many lives would have been saved.

God didn't ordinate Democracy. It was the Pagan homosexual Greeks who introduced this blasphemous system which lays the power of the state in the hands of the stupid majority. (Real) Israel was ruled by a holy dictatorship installed and supported by God. The Holy Inquisition at the Middle Ages, while not punishing people for merely following false teachings, would trial anyone who tried to spread his or her corrupt teachings. Pope Gregory XVI even condemned democracy at some point, I think.

No, these liberal teachings are bad and ungodly. And they should be fought wherever they appear. A Catholic theocracy, like the Papal States before 1870, would be the ideal system.

Suecianus, CF 74 Comments [2/2/2008 8:53:46 PM]
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