Quote# 132268

Amos Moses:
"And christian... btw
one was a preacher"

ummmm ..... no they were not... and no he was not ........... despite the label ........

Throatwobbler Mangrove:
No True Scotsman fallacy

Amos Moses:
does not apply to christianity ............ FAIL ...........

Throatwobbler Mangrove:
Absolutely applies to Christianity. Actually, to exclusionary Christians.

Amos Moses:
nope ... sorry .... christianity is not a "logic" problem ..... and while God is COMPLETELY and EMINENTLY logical ...... your only fallacy is that you try to apply that fallacy to christianity ..... christianity is specifically EXCLUDED because of what christianity is .... so all homosexuals are pedophiles .... right ....

Throatwobbler Mangrove:
No, sorry. There is nothing "magic" about Christianity that would exempt it from the No True Scotsman fallacy, given that the fallacy itself is based on simple reasoning.

Amos Moses:
nope ... FAIL .... NTS does not apply ........

Throatwobbler Mangrove:
No, that's nonsense. The internet is littered with Christian examples. And in fact telling someone else they're a false Christian is about the best example there is.

Amos Moses:
NTS is an application to a logic problem .... FAIL .... christianity is not a logic problem .... FAIL again .... the only problem you have is christianity is not logical to you .... because you do not understand it ..... you can litter wherever you please .... but that trash does not float here ..... so again ... all homosexuals are PEDOPHILES ... right ......

Throatwobbler Mangrove:
I don't know what "all homosexuals are pedophiles" is except a lie, but it's certainly not an example of No True Scotsman. It's not a logic problem, it's a logical fallacy when you try to discredit someone else when they don't follow the same belief in the exact same way you do. You're guilty of it all right.

Amos Moses:
"I don't know what "all homosexuals are pedophiles" is except a lie"
so No True Homosexual is a pedophile .... hmmmm ... shoe on other foot i see ........

Throatwobbler Mangrove:
That makes no sense, and isn't an example of No True Scotsman.
Here's an example you should be able to understand, and helpfully includes a Christian example similar to the one you've been using:
"The example this fallacy is named for goes like this: one Scotsman declares that no Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge. Another points out that he's a Scotsman, and he puts sugar on his porridge. To that, the first replies that no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge. The problem here is that whether or not those who put sugar on their porridge are "true" Scotsmen is a subjective claim, or just a statement of opinion. Opinions are weak evidence for an argument. The porridge example is a trivial one, but this fallacy shows up in all sorts of sinister ways. Often, it's used to exclude people from a group. How often have you heard that someone isn't a real man, a real American, or a true Christian for a "distasteful" quality they have or action they've taken?"

Amos Moses:
thats why it does not apply to christianity ....

Throatwobbler Mangrove:
Right, here's another random internet example of how it applies perfectly to Christianity.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/135/No-True-Scotsman

"In 2011, Christian broadcaster, Harold Camping, (once again) predicted the end of the world via Jesus, and managed to get many Christians to join his alarmist campaign. During this time, and especially after the Armageddon date had passed, many Christian groups publicly declared that Camping is not a “true Christian”. On a personal note, I think Camping was and is as much of a Christian as any other self-proclaimed Christian and religious/political/ethical beliefs aside, I admire him for having the cojones to make a falsifiable claim about his religious beliefs."

Amos Moses:
yeah ... proves nothing .... Camping was not acting in line with scripture and it was not the first time ..... so what .... christians decide who is a christian and who is not .... the christian is authorized by scripture to do so ... that nullifies any NTS .... and NTS applies to logical matters not spiritual matters .... misapplication of your "fallacy" is your problem ... not ours ........ FAIL ............

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 16 Comments [9/28/2017 6:30:50 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 132233

When homophilia (love of same sex) becomes “normalized” it opens a Pandora’s box to all kinds of other philias such as pedophilia, negrophilia, zoophilia, necrophilia etc.

All of this has been touched on during Miley Cyrus concerts. One concert on TV last year had her rubbing her ass against the statue of a giant German shepherd dog, (zoophilia) or laying down while Blacks crawled out from under the stage to drool over her (negrophila and necrophilia. Or in one TV concert she played a little girl rubbing her ass against the crotch of a man (pedophilia).

Right now, it’s not considered illegal in the U.S. to have sex with an animal unless it appears to be a clear case of animal abuse. Having sex with a dead body is only considered to be abuse of a corpse but not a perversion and of course the Jews encourage every young White gentile girl to shack up with Blacks from Africa.

Seek The Truth, Real Jew News 17 Comments [9/28/2017 11:36:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 18747

The evolution debate is more about Atheist forcing their doctrine of creation on Theist than about anything else. In public schools students are only taught that creation occurs by random mutation while according to Theist teachings is occurs by God’s design. Some Theist say they back Evolution but what they really back is Intelligent Design.

Christians and other religious people are just asking for freedom of religion from the Atheist oppressors.

Kerwin, Christ Matters 31 Comments [12/29/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18749

[I've searched and searched and I can't find any evidence that Haeckel was ever put on trial for fraud [for his embryonic drawings]]

This is great. Evolutionist-atheist are denying this by omitting it from their websites. I can only find it listed on creationists websites which proves the point I made earlier about with holding information as a form of deception, or lies.

So it never happend eh?

So what's next? Omit the holocaust? There are already several atheist websites saying it never hapened. People believe what they want, and you can believe that Haeckel was never put on trial by his university. Makes no difference to me.

ikester7579, Evolution Fairytale Forum 63 Comments [12/29/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 18734

can any of you atheists explain scientifically how or why you are alive at this very moment? What is it that makes your brain be "on" and have the ability to think, see, breath and simply "be?"

Indeed, there is no scientific explanation for being alive....which is why evolutionary science is a sham to explain life.

supersport, RichardDawkins.net 35 Comments [12/29/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 132227

How crazy is this. You pander to the radical homosexual element, by requiring that schools teach about them.

Then, they are pissed off that the schools aren’t going far enough, not enough detail, not enough allegedly historic figures being taught about ,etc.

They pander to this grievance group, and they are still pissed off anyway.

Why even try to appease them, if they are going to be pissed off no matter what you do?

Dilbert San Diego, Free Republic 10 Comments [9/28/2017 9:40:42 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132252

Another practitioner and I planned to see the Shen Yun performance at 2:00 p.m. on Saturday, March 18, 2017, in Connecticut. However, when I checked the weather forecast on Friday, it said that there was a 50% chance of snow between 9:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. on Saturday. I thought that the weather might discourage many people from attending the show.

Since I was off work that Friday, I decided to send righteous thoughts every hour on the hour. I saw through my celestial eye a green bead in the sky above the theater, which made me think that we should go to the theater before the show and send righteous thoughts.

I also saw snow on the way to Connecticut and Faluns. Above the theater, I saw the last name of the practitioner I was going to see the show with, along with a Falun. I immediately called the practitioner and said, “Our mission tomorrow is to clean up the evil that is attempting to keep people from going to the show. We must protect and help them to attend the show.”

I also said that I could only eliminate evil elements from the dimensions designated to me, and I could not do the same in others' dimensions. We agreed to send righteous thoughts at the top of every hour to clear up the weather for the following day.

When I woke up at 4:00 a.m., the weather forecast had not changed. I decided to meditate and clear up the weather later.

My celestial eye showed me that Master was surrounded by a big fire. I felt very sad to see Master suffering for us. A week prior, I saw that Master was hit by the evil’s “nuclear bomb.” Although Master blocked the scene with a white matter, I still saw that he was bleeding.

I was shocked to see Master’s horrific wound. After I finished meditating, the weather forecast improved. Light snow was predicted between 9:00 a.m. and 10:00 a.m.. I began to cry, knowing that Master suffered burns so people could attend the Shun Yun show. I knew that what I had seen was just the tip of the iceberg.

We left for Connecticut at 10:00 a.m.. We did not encounter snow or rain on the road, despite the forecast of snow for New York. Entering Connecticut, the weather got even better. It remained sunny until the show ended at 4:30 p.m. After we got back to New York after 6:00 p.m., there was a light drizzle.

The show was a huge success, and the theater was packed. I was so happy for the audience members. They had no idea how much Master suffered in order to save them. My heart was crying for Master’s boundless compassion. I also felt ashamed that we did not do our job well and let Master down.

I got a message from a practitioner at 10:00 p.m. on March 24, 2017. Mexico City had a power outage one hour before the Shen Yun show was to begin. I immediately began sending righteous thoughts. I knew Master would not allow the old forces to commit such a crime. I was fully confident that the interference would be cleared soon. Shortly afterward, I got another message that the power had been restored.

Although I can only see a few things, every time I see Master suffering for people, I am shocked and deeply touched. I also feel extremely fortunate to be able to help Master in saving people. I have no idea how much longer I can continue to do this. I do not even dare to think about that. I can never do enough to deserve Master’s compassion.

Unknown author, Minghui 2 Comments [9/28/2017 1:38:16 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132258

Hello Wakalix. A creator is necessary because there is no other way that the universe can possibly exist. Think about it, the universe is so vast and creation is so unbelievable that there HAS to be a creator somehow. As an atheist I didn't believe it either like you don't but, it's the truth.

What evidence is there that scripture can be taken as a science text book? You mean besides faith? Well for one the Bible has predicted things since before Christ came to the earth. Like I said, it proved the world was round before Christopher Columbus proved it. It also proved in Genesis 3:15 that both men and women possess the seed of life (Sperm and the Egg). This wasn't discovered by science until the 17th century. These are just some of the things the Bible has proven.

mmbattlestar, Christian Boards 20 Comments [9/28/2017 1:38:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132216

In her interview with CNN's KFile, Godwin echoed the other attendees' sentiments about the Constitution, saying that it was Moore's understanding of the nation's founding text that led her to support his current campaign for Senate. She added that there hasn't been a Constitution since President Barack Obama was elected, saying, "It's been a theoretical document rolled up on the shelf of the archives just like President Davis said that Abraham Lincoln did to it."

"I want people like Mitch McConnell and the NRA and CNN and Donald Trump to stay out of our business down here," Godwin said. "That's the problem. You Yankees, you have done nothing but stick your freakin' nose in our business down here in the South. We don't want you down here in the South, don't you understand that? I would love to see every Yankee go back to Massachusetts and to New York City, you know it?"

Patricia Godwin, CNN 8 Comments [9/28/2017 9:35:36 AM]
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Submitted By: Hu's On First

Quote# 132218



Dana Summers, Facebook 16 Comments [9/28/2017 9:36:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 132241

Right-wing commentator, conspiracy theorist and Donald Trump–obsessed sycophant Wayne Allyn Root unleashed a rant on his radio broadcast on Monday in which he vowed that he and his fellow Trump supporters will destroy the NFL and its commissioner, Roger Goodell, for allowing players to kneel in protest during the national anthem.

“The rebels with the pitchforks are back and we’re going to drive the NFL to its knees,” Root declared. “Boycott the NFL and demand the firing of Charles Goodell’s little goody-two-shoes spoiled brat son, Roger Go-To-Hell.”

“Roger, bye bye,” Root taunted. “We’re bringing you to your knees and we’re taking out the NFL.”

Root promised to wage a relentless war against the NFL for allowing players to “kneel and disrespect my flag and my country” and “disrespect vets, and disrespect cops, and disrespect active military.”

“Your dad was a putz and you, my friend, are a putz, Roger Go-To-Hell,” he continued. “Goodbye, Roger. We’re driving you out and we’re going to bankrupt the NFL for the next two weeks and prove, with specific action, that 63 million Trump voters have the power to take a business that disrespects us … and knock them down.”

“We’re going to war, baby,” Root boasted, “and Trump and us are winning.”

Wayne Allyn Root, Right Wing Watch 15 Comments [9/28/2017 1:35:10 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 132067

EVERYTHING WE SAID BACK IN THE LATE 1960s AND EARLY 1970s AGAINST HAVING SEX EDUCATION IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE ! ! ! We should REMOVE SEX EDUCATION FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS ! PERIOD ! ! !

Yosemitest, Free Republic 13 Comments [9/25/2017 9:58:27 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132259

Like I always say, I'll agree with science only insofar as it doesn't disagree with the Bible --- when it does --- then it has to go.

If you say these endomorphic regional virii (?) attach themselves to my DNA w/o my permission --- who am I to disagree?

But if you say that shows I came from Magilla Gorilla, I disagree.

AV1611VET, Christian Boards 10 Comments [9/28/2017 1:38:27 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132076

Suppose you were stuck in a difficult situation with only the choices of killing one cat or killing five cats. You would obviously choose to kill only the one. Making such a choice does not mean that you are okay with killing cats.

In choosing a cat's diet, feeding the cat non-vegan food is killing multiple animals, while the worst case scenario for feeding your cat vegan food is killing only the one.

lnfinity, r/vegan 13 Comments [9/25/2017 10:09:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132077

Yes, one newly vegan. I can't vouch for the long term but have connected with a ton of other people who can. My vet is on board too.

All the arguments of "if you're vegan and care about animals don't get a cat" don't really work for me. I was in a state park and found a cat that was missing hair and had no fat on her body. She was in organ failure because it had been so long since she had eaten. She has lost sight in one of her eyes because of the malnutrition as well. Clearly she was not a good hunter.

I took her home and to many vet visits to get her healthy (feeding high quality meat based food), all the while doing research into if cats could be safe, healthy, thriving vegans. My dog is vegan so it seemed natural to at least look into it. I was sceptical at first but the more research I did into what exact nutrients cats needed the more sure I was that it could be done if properly monitored. Male cats need more initial monitoring than females mostly regarding urine pH. There are food supplements you can add if this issue comes up.

Only thing I would note is that it's a lot easier to prepare vegan meals for a dog. After my research I would only feed a cat commercial vegan food that has everything they need. They can have much worse side effects than dogs if they are lacking in certain nutrients. Don't try to make homemade food for your cat.

moistestsandwich, r/vegan 8 Comments [9/25/2017 10:10:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132262

Sadly men are always trying to fit God into their own ideas of what He should be rather than believing what He tells us He is; Predestination is very much a Biblical doctrine, and a very important one which addresses the topic of the Sovereignty of God and His right to make anyone for any purpose He desires. The devil was predestined to be the devil, and fair or unfair, nothing he can do about it!

Romans 9: 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

This man teaches the doctrines of men not of God and will answer to God for lying about Him to the world! For perverting what is clearly written in His Word. Beware of what you teach for teachers will be judged by a much higher standard than the lay people. God is God and He can do whatever He wants; I have come to know Him and understand that there ain't a single Creature of His that is more fair or Just than the Creator. But you won't understand that unless you read just what is written in God's Word rather than reading into God's Word or trying to write your own Scriptures! Then and then only will the doctrine of Predestination become understandable for you.?

Paul Sandhu, Youtube 7 Comments [9/28/2017 1:38:31 PM]
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Quote# 132266

To the immense disappointment of his base, and indeed the immense disappoint of the vast majority of American voters left and right, Trump, breaking his election promises, decided to continue war in Afghanistan, while making the war slightly less infested by lawyers, transexuals, and women’s rights activists.

Well, delawyering the war will certainly help, but lawyers are not the core of the problem.

To put the Afghan war in perspective: In 1983 Reagan invaded Grenada, won the war in about the same time as our initial victory in Afghanistan, purged the permanent government very thoroughly, including numerous “non governmental aid organizations”, installed a new government at bayonet point, and left one month after invading. The new right wing government promptly held an election, which produced a very similar right wing government, and since then there has been no trouble in Grenada, and all elections since then have produced similarly Reaganite results, even though all elections before the invasion produced radical left wing results.

Reagan put his foot down for one month, and the place remains quietly Reaganite forever, without an American soldier in sight.

The Afghan war, on the other hand, has been running for sixteen years, and the Afghan government, despite being supposedly democratically elected, is so corrupt and bitterly unpopular that it would collapse overnight without constant violent American support. And this simply shows no sign of changing. Even if we fight a lot more effectively, thanks to delawyering the war, there is still a power vacuum in Afghanistan waiting for the Taliban.

The problem in Afghanistan is not winning the war. We won the war overnight immediately after invading. The problem is, what do you do with victory?

The problem is not that the US army in Afghanistan is infested with State Department agents making marines wear high heeled shoes. The problem is that the government in Afghanistan is infested with State Department agents making schoolgirls put a condom on a banana, who are trying in an ineffectual limp wristed fashion to impose the American state religion in an environment where a hostile and armed opposing religion has deep roots. Further, every Afghan who matters can see that victory for the State Department religion would mean that he probably will not get his dick wet. Communism in Grenada had no roots except the permanent government and the quasi statal NGOs. Purge the permanent government and the NGOs, problem solved. Mohammedanism in Afghanistan has considerably deeper roots.

You need to bring a gun to a gun fight, and a religion to a holy war. The State Department has brought a religion to a holy war, but the problem is that their religion stinks.

How do you win in Afghanistan?

You install a King whose religious practices and official state religion are acceptable to the vast majority of his subjects, which is to say, totally unacceptable to the State Department. You install a conservative Mohammedan King, one who does not think that Mohammedanism, rightly understood, is progressivism. You install a King with a striking resemblance to Dost Mohammad Khan.

The cause of these wars is that the State Department is violating the peace of Westphalia, by imposing our state religion on the entire world.

Jim, Jim's Blog 8 Comments [9/28/2017 3:21:40 PM]
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Quote# 132225

The sanctions by the US, UNSC and EU against People's Korea will fail totally and miserably . The DPRK will fight back with self-reliance and self-development ! There will be greater import substitution and more self-sufficiency .

The sanctions will actually have a boomerang effect , they will in the long term strengthen the DPRK and lead to an even stronger and purer Juche-based socialism .

UK Korean Friendship Association, Korean Friendship Association 6 Comments [9/28/2017 9:39:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132219

@ american liberal nationalists - how can naziism be “un-american” if america turned away thousands of jewish people at the border who then perished in the holocaust Please explain

pure, Tumblr 8 Comments [9/28/2017 9:36:24 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 132112

Church Stoked Tithing with Unemployment Scam, Ex-Members Say

SPINDALE, NORTH CAROLINA (AP) - Former members of an evangelical North Carolina church say their leader coerced congregants into filing false unemployment claims after the faltering economy threatened weekly tithes from church-affiliated companies. The members say company owners who were leaders in the Word of Faith Fellowship church would file unemployment claims on employees' behalf, but that the employees would continue working.

Eleven former followers told The Associated Press that they participated in the plan. They estimated that the fraudulent claims would have drawn payments totaling in the hundreds of thousands of dollars between 2008 and 2013.

State officials say such claims would be illegal, and the former congregants said they had been interviewed by state and federal investigators.

The unemployment allegations were uncovered as part of the AP's lengthy, ongoing investigation into the church, based in Spindale, North Carolina.

Word of Faith Fellowship, WLTX 5 Comments [9/28/2017 9:10:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 132208

We should love gay people, but which is more loving:

- telling people tempted in that direction to ignore the disease rates among those who engage in gay sex, telling them to ignore scripture, and telling them there is nothing wrong with engaging in those actions even though those who do have extraordinarily high rates of depression and suicide, or...

- showing them the joy of following God’s word, leading by example as we turn difficult decisions over to the All-knowing, and embracing those who accept God’s sovereignty over our lives with the pure love of Christian brotherhood?

Pollster1, Free Republic 7 Comments [9/28/2017 9:25:44 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 108110

"You Make All Christians Look Bad."

It is not people like me who make Christians look bad; who drive people away from Jesus. It is people who situationally(SIC) redefine, counterfeit and conditionally apply His Word to suit cultural tolerances, convenience "interpretations" and moral relativity who PULL people away from Christ: people who think they are wiser than God and feel they can comfortably reject some of His Word because they embrace some; people who so pitifully soften, cheapen, distort and weaken His Word and change it into lies and superficial "truths"; people who cause the ones who walk away to expect practicing the Christian faith to be something it is not. Then, when the seekers are confronted with the Truth BY HIS WORD they can't handle it since His Word now gets in their way because of people who for so long have diluted the Truth to make it seem what it isn't by pabulum feeding the people with feel-good counterfeitings (SIC) which suit man with any adherence to His True Word being coincidental.

"You Should Be More Tolerant."

We will NOT situationally redefine or conditionally apply His Word to suit modern ethics, social engineers, moral spinmeisters, false religions or even to avoid invading the comfort zone of Christians. We love you too much to feed you lies and less-than-truths. It is people who do who pull people away from the CHRIST of Christianity. Practicing the Christian faith and what is expected of it is being very intolerant ... of sin ... even our own by HIS Word, not your word or mine, by embracing the sinner but not embracing the sin; by helping the sinner, even ourselves, out of bondage to the sin by loving him/her enough to TELL THE TRUTH, not in a vindictive look-down-your-nose fashion but in a compassionate way.

Tolerance, eh? On Judgment Day, Jesus will send the unforgiven sinner into the fiery pits of Hell in a heartbeat. Now that is intolerance. Of sin. And Righteously so. He further will not excuse any sin. For example, Jesus forgave the prostitute of her sin but did not excuse the sin -- He did NOT forgive prostitution, He forgave the prostitute of it. Jesus did not argue the judgment nor did He argue the law. He argued our authority to execute the woman. Prostitution is just as sinful now, after Jesus forgave the prostitute of it, as it was before He forgave her. He even reminded her of the sin by telling her to go and sin no more. He will forgive us all our sins if we are humble enough to ask, but He will not excuse any sin. All behavior which is sinful before forgiveness is still sinful after forgiveness. More intolerance. And righteously so.

"Tolerance" has probably become the most abused word in the English language. There is nothing wrong with being tolerant if tolerance is being shown righteously. We must not be tolerant of sin. Even our own. We must not embrace the sin as we embrace the sinner. We do not have to "accept" the sin to accept the sinner. We do not have to participate in or encourage the sin to "reach" the sinner. To do so is to cause the sinner to sin which is a sin on ourselves. Not in one single case did Jesus ever participate in or even encourage our participation in a sin to teach us of it and its consequences.


It is not people like me who tell His Truth undiluted and unmasked by modern man's alterations and distillations of it who drive people away from Jesus. It is people who offer self-serving counterfeitings of His Word to suit alternative interests, political correctness or modern morality who DRAW some people away from Jesus when confronted with the complete Truth [Acts 20:30 "Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them"]. It is people who conveniently modify His Word, people who set His Word aside when it gets in their way who PULL people away from Christianity. The victims of such deceit are so conditioned by the narcotic effect of a "mamma's milk" Spiritual diet that when they get a Spiritual "solid food" meal by His Word they can't handle it. People can Spiritually survive on a "cake-n-ice cream" diet only so long. Sooner or later they must have "meat-n-veggies." That is what we serve.

It is not people like me who tell His Truth undiluted and unmasked by modern man's alterations and distillations of it who drive people away from Jesus. It is people who offer self-serving counterfeitings of His Word to suit alternative interests, political correctness or modern morality who DRAW some people away from Jesus when confronted with the complete Truth [Acts 20:30 "Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them"]. It is people who conveniently modify His Word, people who set His Word aside when it gets in their way who PULL people away from Christianity. The victims of such deceit are so conditioned by the narcotic effect of a "mamma's milk" Spiritual diet that when they get a Spiritual "solid food" meal by His Word they can't handle it. People can Spiritually survive on a "cake-n-ice cream" diet only so long. Sooner or later they must have "meat-n-veggies." That is what we serve.

Our gentle and loving and compassionate Jesus is One of finality who will say "I never knew you" without batting an eye on Judgment Day to those who have not accepted Him as Lord and Savior. That is certainly intolerance, of sin, to which He is righteously entitled. The point here is that while Jesus provided teachings of Salvation and of gentleness and compassion and indeed wants us to be gentle and compassionate as was He, Jesus also provided teachings of supreme finality and harshness for the arrogant and haughty. Righteously so. He taught of Hell which so many well-meaning men of the pulpit seem to avoid. All must know this because to say to Him on Judgment Day "But I thought...." or "So-n-so said..." or "Interpreted, that means......." or "I didn't believe..." will not buy another chance.

So, it is not people like me who tell His Word unbridled and unabridged who are driving people away from Christianity or Christ. It is the people who say we do who are.

Tom Carder, CAPAlert 21 Comments [4/28/2015 2:54:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Ivurm

Quote# 132220

Anyone who thinks anarchy and Antifa actions are inherently "Peaceful" is looking for a watered-down variation of 'anarchy' that will never get past chat-rooms, blogs, and social media. or believing that you can eradicate the fascist and crypto-fascist by chanting and debates that does not mean we fetishize violence or use it as oppressive tactics (see State sponsored Violence)

Also, accepting the fact that as anarchists and various radicals, we are always in a 'self-defense' mindset because the State, Police, fascist/Crypto-fascist, sympathizers etc, want us eradicated, combined that with various Races/Ethnicities, Sexes, Gender-Identities, Sexual Orientations and we are always being attacked, from Class to Identity.

To not use Preemptive and offensive actions is surrendering, submitting to politicians, legislature, Ballot Boxes is surrendering, believing the Police will protect you is surrendering. Non-Violence is dangerous and protects the state. Liberals know this and use this "Non-Violent" stance to further oppress those that will fight for their autonomy because it will abolish their authoritative hierarchy aswell

DragQueen_Eclipse, r/Anarchism 4 Comments [9/28/2017 9:37:08 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 132192

Please don't dismiss the car incident in such a deragatory way. The autocaust was very tragic and honestly, I think the Alt-right was the primary victim of the incident. Thanks to the hate-storm revved up by the MSM and leftist group, a young white woman of child-bearing age died.

"Is the alt right controlled opposition? I think so. The car crash event at Charlottesville has controlled op written all over it."

No. Heather Heyer was a woman of European descent who never should have been so brainwashed by the media/academia that she was involved in a violent protest which ended up with her tragically losing her life. Charlottesville was not a controlled event. It was real, and there were real victims; the Alt Right were those who suffered the most.
The Alt-Righters are our friends, neighbors, and loved ones. We can't just let an evil cowardly act by a lone individual draw hatred towards the overwhelming majority of peaceful Alt-Righters. The Alt-Right is an ideology of peace and we have to take a stand against inciting any bigoted violence against political minorities such as that from Naziphobes that might erupt in this political climate.

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10 Leftist Myths That Shouldn’t Be Repeated


1. WE ARE A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS

No, we’re not. We’re a nation of citizens. This country was built on legal immigration, and the ones who made it through learned the language and assimilated. Many didn’t get in. Today’s scenario is 15 million illegals ridiculing those who played by the rules. Legal immigrants wait 15 years to get green cards and many bring a ton of jobs with them. The Statue of Liberty doesn’t say “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, and all their relatives.” Learn the difference between legal and illegal.

Oh, and don’t give me that old “They’re doing jobs Americans won’t do” line. They’re doing jobs Americans won’t do - for that price. In Canada, there are no Mexicans and the landscaping still gets done. They use teenagers.

2. THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON SLAVERY

This old trope. A few rich Southerners had slaves. Then there was a civil war and America’s bank account dropped to zero. After that the country was rebuilt from scratch without slavery. As Pat Buchanan put it, we didn’t start slavery. We ended it.

3. WE STOLE THE COUNTRY FROM PEACEFUL INDIANS

We fought them for 400 years. They fought against us, alongside us, and behind us. Fighting for land has always been part of the human race, long before we landed here. Asia, Africa, Europe, we’ve all done it but only one country is told to feel guilty for it. Today we would call this “stealing”. But for a long time, this was considered acceptable behaviour.

Before we got here the Indians were fighting each other, and yes, it was savage. War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage describes horrific mass graves from way before we got here. Indians used to shoot arrows into their victims for hours after the guy died so he’d be stuffed in the afterlife. Oh and the smallpox blankets is a myth.

4. AMERICA IS RACIST

Studies show that white people are actually the least racist group. Getting rid of all the racists would mean America would be almost all white. Therefore, fighting racism is racist.

5. BLACK YOUTH ARE TARGETED BY WHITE MEN

Fact time. Black youth are in danger but it’s not white men killing them. Over 1,400 more black Americans murdered other blacks between 2010-2011 than were lynched from 1882 to 1968. Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years. In 2012, black people - at just a fifth of the size - committed almost 1,000 more murders than their white counterparts. It would take cops 40 years to kill as many black men as have died at the hands of others black men in 2012 alone. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. Blacks are 18.5 times more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. Let’s not forget the black on white rape.

6. PRO-LIFERS ARE SEXIST

Most women are pro-life. To ignore their rights while touting abortion is sexist. Also, gender-based abortion is becoming more popular. We’ve seen how that goes for women in China. It ain’t pretty. So stop using abortion rights as some kind of proof there’s a war on women when the opposite is true.

7. WE NEED FREE HEALTH CARE

Not so fast. Have you seen the way this administration handles money? We’re 17 trillion in the hole. That’s a lot. Seventeen trillion seconds ago we were cavemen trying to figure out fire. This country is rife with severe obesity and millions upon millions of illegals. We don’t have the cohesion and health that other free health care countries have, so this perfectly reasonable idea is actually impossible until we sort our shit out.

8. AMERICA IS GETTING WORSE

The air has never been cleaner. We’ve never lived longer. Crime is at an all-time low. By virtually every possible metric, life has never been better. Traveling, eating, sex, fighting - all safer than ever. The list goes on and on. I saw a homeless man today checking his iPhone while he asked for change. If you think things were so much better back then or in another country, get in either a time machine or plane and go there and let’s see how long you survive.

9. DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH

When it comes to restaurants this is true, and that is why people always use restaurants to prove it. By any other standard, it tends to go pretty badly. We should be encouraging everyone to err towards the same values. Assimilation leads to a sense of fraternity and that means a cohesive society. Why do you think Japan is so successful and get along so well? They are packed in there like sardines but they don’t mind because they’re all the same. When integration is discouraged you get Balkanization.

10. WE’RE ALL EQUAL

You realize the children of geniuses tend to be smarter than the children of stupid people, yeah? This is why they ask sperm donors questions. That’s what happens when idealists have to practice what they preach. They scoff at eugenics until it’s time to make a baby. They love the gay lifestyle until their son brings home a tranny. They love diversity until it’s time to choose a place to live or a school for their children. They pretend we’re all equal but they insist the government enforce this because they secretly know it isn’t true and in fact see themselves as superior to everyone else. They’re free to think that, but before going on a rant about it, maybe they should look up some basic facts first.

loudlytransparenttrash, Tumblr 14 Comments [9/28/2017 9:09:04 AM]
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